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Swords from the Kasama Shigetsugu Mon: 於相武台下歓喜入道昭秀作之 "Made by Kangi nyūdō Akihide, in Sōbudai 1943" 酒井一貫斎繁正彫同作 "Sakai Ikkansai Shigemasa, at the request of Iwate Takeshi 1943" 塚越繼延 三代川英雄所持"Tsukagoshi Tsugunobu for Hideo Sanyogawa/Miyokawa 1944"

For sale Ko-wakizashi from Hasebe school Blade passed Juyo 50 Details of the blade from setsumei Measurements nagasa 31.4 cm, sori 0.6 cm, motohaba 2.9 cm, nakago-nagasa 9.0 cm, only very little nakago-sori Description Keijo: hira-zukuri, mitsu-mune, wide mihaba sunnobi, thin kasane, shallow sori Kitae: rather standing-out itame that is mixed with mokume and nagare-masame and that features plenty of ji-nie and chikei Hamon: nie-laden and wide notare with a wide and overall rather subdued nioiguchi that is mixed with gunome, ashi, yō, kinsuji, sunagashi, and along the fukura with tobiyaki, yubashiri, and muneyaki, making this area tend to hitatsura Bōshi: on the omote side notare with a ko-maru-kaeri and hakikake at the very tip and on the ura side midare-komi with a ko-maru-kaeri which runs back in a long fashion and connects with the muneyaki Nakago: ubu, shallow kurijiri, katte-sagari yasurime, two mekugi-ana, mumei Explanation Together with the Nobukuni (信国) School, the Hasebe (長谷部) School is regarded as the most representative lineage of Yamashiro smiths of the Nanbokuchō period. Outstanding masters from this school were Kunishige (国重) and Kuninobu (国信) who focused on a hitatsura, an interpretation that emerged at that time, but also worked like here in a midareba that bases on a notare that is mixed with gunome. This wakizashi is ubu and mumei and was handed down as work of the Hasebe School. Only the area along the fukura tends to hitatsura, but is still not a full hitatsura, the composition of the ha however with prominent notare, the jigane showing a tendency towards masame, and the very thin kasane do represent the characteristic features of the Hasebe School. Supplied with shirasaya Shipped from Slovakia Price: 24k EUR (includes shipping within continental EU) + PP fee

It doesn´t matter if it is Koto, Shinto or ShinShinto. All that matters is: it is a Japanese sword with an inscription and a fair price tag. And Dee likes it.

Gimei is gimei and that's that. "nihonto-museum" is no valuable reference at all. And yes: Guido is a real character, always was. Sadly enough he is not able to participate anymore. As for you , "Dee", I have my doubts who you really are. Playing the "Lady-bonus" here for somebody else ? reinhard

トキワ　Tokiwa - it is a location in Tokyo (Tokiwamatsu-chō) where Shigetsugu's forge was. Near present-day Shibuya. https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/常磐松町

I've always loved the story of the 47 Ronin and one of the most memorable scenes in the movie version I watched as a kid was of one samurai facing off against two of the ronin and almost beating them to a standstill. So I was delighted to pick up the following triptych, again at a pittance compared to what dealers in the States would charge me for a single sheet.

Not sure you know exactly what you are looking for. Mantetsu swords are purchased for their history and as militaria. They certainly aren't bought for their artistic traits. They don't exhibit nice hataraki or interesting hamon. They are arsenal swords, but made using certain techniques that increased their useability. Whether it's cleaned a bit or not isn't the prime factor in owning one of them. If you are looking for a nice WW2 sword with interesting hamon and showing hada/hataraki, then Mantetsu swords aren't where you should be looking. What were you expecting of this sword? It's a factory, not a particular smith. This is like buying a Type 95 Gunto and then lamenting that it doesn't have a nice polish or hamon.

Back to the main topic… I have 2 gimei blades. First is a Hizen Tadahiro signed katana but deemed gimei by NTHK-NPO, but still judged as a Hizen blade of same approximate time period as Tadahiro with exact same workmanship. Second blade is an Awataguchi Tadatsuna wakizashi deemed gimei by NTHK, but still judged as a lower level student of Tadatsuna and blade exhibits typical Awataguchi traits. So if you want to study schools and activity, and aren’t worried about who you show it to or the naysayers, I have no problem with gimei… especially at a fraction of the price.

The Tadahiro I bought without papers. The mei was sketchy, but it did come with a Kanzan Sato sayagaki. I was given some advice by some well known people in the field who felt it was gimei and when I submitted for papers it was also deemed gimei so it did not come as a surprise. A couple of the people who advised me did say something along the lines of “you can see why whoever added the gimei signature chose this blade… it was a clear Hizen blade and it would be easier to pass as a Tadahiro”. Now, the sayagaki? Three choices… 1) sayagaki is gimei, 2) someone matched this blade to a different signed saya, or 3) Kanzan Sato got this one wrong. The Tadatsuna blade I bought with the pink paper. Seller did not try to hide the fact blade was gimei. I still liked the blade and it was an example of a Awataguchi blade I could study in hand. It wasn’t perfect or the best example, but it was nice and I liked it.

Dear fellows collectors, I'd like to share with you the sword I've just brought home. She's a Kaneshige blade made in feb 1944 (and thanks to the members here that translated properly the nakago in my previous post). I apologize for the low quality pics, but I have to say that these objects are pretty hard to photograph.

Congratulations! Nice sword.

I'm sorry, I forgot to post the full mei:

Not a new member... But I changed my username from GeorgeLuucas to Scogg Scogg is an abbreviation of my last name, and has also been a common nickname for me. I am sick being called George. Although I remain a big StarWars fan Cheers, -Sam

I dont see Shinshinto, not with the nakago and worn horimono.

If you are in Tokyo ‘at the end of the month’, I would recommend the antique market in Kawagoe, which always takes place on the 28th of the month. I've already been to a few flea markets in Kyoto, Tokyo and the surrounding area, but I've never discovered any really nice tsuba (at least for my taste). Once there were really better pieces to be found at a dealer, but I could have bought them in Ginza for the prices they were asking. And that's how I've done it so far, by buying from the well-known dealers in their shops. You have the advantage of being able to compare favourites directly, and you usually get a discount if you pay cash.

Well put, Dee! I'm a little late, but I would say when it comes to actual high quality blades or well known smiths, it's a bit hard to keep out of the limelight, regardless if someone inadvertently draws attention to it. As well, we know FleaBay can be a minefield, but I'm sure we all skim across it in search of a treasure and by that, if one knowledgable person sees something, you can guarantee others do, as well! Short story, I was on GunBroker last year looking at Walther PPs just to pass some time, and saw an RSHA issued model. Won't go into details, but the organization was a part of the SS, not the Waffen-SS though, and about 6,000 were contracted to them. Main details are a serialized slide prior to it being put on all, and matching magazines if you're lucky to find them. About 5% are known to exist. I thought I was going to get a deal, since it wasn't labeled as that contract model, but I ended up in a bidding war with the most knowledgeable person on Walther PP/PPk variants. I ended up getting it for a decent price, though not a bargain. I took a risk since they didn't show any details on the mags, but when I picked it up, it ended up having one of the matching magazines. While I am a collector, and had been looking for one of these for as long as I was first able to buy handguns, I'm a shooter foremost, so will end up selling it. But I'm happy the hunt is over and was able to put out the information so it can be listed in the database for known surviving models for all to see. Hopefully the other mag is out there so the future owner can add it.

you could buy one from Grey for less https://japaneseswor...ck-dragon-residence/

It was a nice run gents, but I didn't expect it going for a final 6.5k bid, that's one happy seller

Most curious, yes. I suppose the added hitsu must have been very slight, for the three elements that you refer to, Piers, are all pretty similar in size and shape, so it doesn't seem that adding the hitsu affected these much, if at all. Most likely, the added hitsu merely intruded on the seppa-dai slightly. Here is another piece I am puzzling over as regards the motif elements. The one on the left is similar to that in the tsuba above, but is missing the three extra elements. In this piece, I am reminded of a carpenter's planer, such as that seen here: https://www.jauce.com/auction/q1172873118

Sadly I have to agree with the opinions here. The signature too is typical for one of these netsuke-like-objects (NLO). Remember, though, if you did not pay too much for it, you can actually use one of these to hang something from without fear of damaging it, and many people will even compliment you on it! One word of caution regarding the person who sold this to you. It is possible that they did not know much when they bought it, accepting whatever they were told, and happy to make a buck. Not all dealers are experts, most are still learning on the job, and some (not all) are even happy to be educated. A few years back I bought a neat little dragon Netsuke, but when I took it home for a really good look some faint mould lines between the legs showed that it was pressed resin. A month later I took it back to the same monthly market, and the dealer was more than happy to give my money back. Mr Maehata, salute! We've been good friends ever since and I have bought several things from him subsequently.

Nice detective work Jussi. And just for continuity, here are the Mei and nengo for the blade in the National Museum. While I generally agree with you Jussi that gimei should be left, I think in this case the kanji could be removed and then have it papered. I'd be curious as to who/school gets the attribution.

Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. I don't know that this reading of the motif is correct (seems like quite a reach -- even the kuruma/wheel sukashi is dubious), but many thanks for the replies.

So far I have found 6 signed tantō by Kinjū. 2 of them are dated, both share same date of Ōan 2 (1369). However the tantō that was also posted above that is featured in Kantō Hibishō by Kunzan in Tōken Bijutsu 274. I just checked the magazine and I believe in there Kunzan raises questions about the authencity of the mei and date, and states that if genuine it is work of 2nd generation. The 2nd one is in the collection of Kyoto National Museum https://knmdb.kyohaku.go.jp/29675.html I agree with Jacques that I personally don't consider only old oshigata as very reliable info. They can be very nice supplement but I require modern information to satisfy my data needs.

Hi Steve, Namako ni kuruma sukashi - sea cucumber and wheel.

Namako

Biggest in Tokyo is Oedo Sunday Market at the Tokyo International Forum - Yurakucho Station 1st stop on the JR Yamanote after JR Yamanote Tokyo Station 1st and 3rd Sundays weather permitting. https://www.antique-market.jp/english/ And definitely echo what Brian said about prices and origin of some items.

They do, Gerry - until it's something they want to buy. Then it's 'full stealth mode' and every man for himself. 😉 "All's fair in love, war and swords."

You're very welcome 👍

Congrats great looking sword now I got to go look at the other post if I can find it see the full mei

Vielen Dank für die viele Arbeit! Dann habe ich hier also eine Klinge eines hervorragenden Schmiedes oder eine auf der an ihn erinnert wird. Genau wird das wohl anhand des Fotos niemand bestimmen können. Auf alle Fälle ein glücklicher Fund! PS: Ich schreibe auf deutsch, übersetzen kann vermutlich Google.

Many thanks Bruce,and others 🙂

Mine was in pretty bad shape originally. Polished up quite well:

Amusingly, for someone who's just been accused of imitating another gender, I always imagine the petulant words "Who cares? I don't." coming out of the mouth of a naughty five-year-old girl with ringlets. 😂

You did well. It's better than most Kinju I've seen. If it was Kinju, it would most likely express the rather regular gunome hamon in nie deki. This work is more interesting. It is aiming for Norishige school. There is conspicuous chickei, sunagashi, and rather coarse ara-nie. The relatively coarse ara-nie, thick kasane, and somewhat 'contrived' quality of the chickei does rather speak towards Shinshinto work that tries hard to emulate Koto. I think, with the signature, it was probably an entire package made with the intention to mislead. However... There is a chance that it is a healthy Koto piece. The photos doesn't show everything unfortunately, but I wouldn't rule out Tametsugu here if the work was mumei. In any case, to me, this is more exciting than some Kinju. Buying a Gimei blade? No, not a full blown gimei, not today. When I started, then certainly yes. As it stands in 2025, my limit would be "To mei ga aru" if the piece showed remarkable qualities. I like research pieces.

Interestingly, it appears that someone has been using it. Note the wear on the kumihimo ana, although this too can be faked. Take heart, JY. We have all paid for "an education" when we did not get the real thing. Sometimes that's just as valuable. John C.

Some poor soul going to buy that thinking they have whatever the Lanes described it as, whatever that is. I stopped reading near the top, looks like someone got carried away, the opposite of writers block, lots and lots of caffeine maybe

IF I manage to go to Japan this year (and I am frantically saving as I REALLY REALLY want to go) then I'm looking at arriving around the 23rd October until just after the DTI. Sad thing is that this misses the 3rd Sunday of October, and the markets on the 1st Sunday...that's the DTI. Which is a pity, as I love Tokyo flea and antiques markets. Won't be travelling around Japan this time as I limited leave available, and want to spend 4 or 5 days in Thailand for the first time on the way back. Pity...I wanted to see Sapporo for once. But we will have to see if I can swing the trip. As much as the Yen has fallen, the Rand has done worse. I can pay for flights or accommodation...not both. Do as many markets as you can. You may not buy a lot, but it's awesome to see stuff that is actually antique among stuff made yesterday. But there are few bargains. If you can find a private person selling stuff off, you can score. But most are professional dealers who sell online when they are not at the market, and they think every tsuba is worth $500+

I guess I must have missed the 'Kinju' bit in your post. The statement was still incorrect and misleading.

I’m sure the Auctioneers (I’m not familiar with this one) will have their rear end well protected by “terms and conditions” ….usually shifting the onus onto the buyers to prove otherwise. But, going back to Ancient Rome, the principle of “caveat emptor” has been the over-riding guidance for any buyer of anything and it’s wise to take heed. I agree it’s nasty, all fraud is and nowadays you almost start from the premise that all is not what you hope it is. The modern world…… Words of my long gone grandfather from over 60 years ago suggest was it always thus…..”believe nothing you hear and half what your see”….and it’s got a lot worse since then. Even the major Auction Houses have horrendous skeletons they hope will never emerge from the closet.

@Bruce Pennington Thanks for highlighting mine, here are a few more photos and a link to more info about the sword. Cheers!

Here's one on a Tenshozan Forge kaigunto, owned by @mdiddy Matt, source - @mecox Mal's Japanese Naval Swords, Part 1

@Kiipu found this butterfly mon on a kaigunto HERE

There's no shop logo, this maker used a unique style of hangers from other Kai Gunto:

Family name on good quality mounts from a Koshirae shop rarely seen, thought it was interesting that the name in silver matched the name scratched into the fittings. https://origami-token.ru/catalog/arkhiv-mechi/bolshoy_katana_khisakadzu_v_oprave_morskogo_ofitserskogo_mecha/

Type 98 with a brown tassel and large Seki 関 stamp. 酒向兼茂 Sakō Kaneshige. As the swordsmith is a bit of an unknown, updating the thread for future reference.

Two additions to the throng:

Here is a favorite Kiku tsuba of mine I traded to Skip Holbrook for a NBTHK papered Higo Kinko tsuba a few years ago. The size was exceptionally large, and the iron was extremely nice and had a great feel in hand. It measures 10.3 cm (4.1 inches) wide by 10.4 cm (4.01 inches) high. It is 6.6 mm (0.3 inches) at the rim and gently thins toward the middle.

Ok, did a double check on my Kais, and found a another mon on a menuki.