Ray Singer Posted November 12, 2019 Report Posted November 12, 2019 So, 2019 Juyo results are coming out now. It is my understanding that this was an especially challenging year to submit. Did anyone have a passing result they would like to share? I just missed the window on two of my swords and did not put anything through in this year's shinsa. Fingers crossed that someone here has had, or if about to receive, some good news. Best regards, Ray 5 Quote
mywei Posted November 13, 2019 Report Posted November 13, 2019 Hi Ray, I just got the good news yesterday that my blade passed! It's a first for me so am quite chuffed! 7 Quote
Ray Singer Posted November 13, 2019 Author Report Posted November 13, 2019 Fantastic, congratulations! You are the first pass I've heard from yet. Would love to hear details when you are ready, either here or my PM if you like to share further. Again, very happy to hear the good news. Quote
mywei Posted November 13, 2019 Report Posted November 13, 2019 Thanks Ray! I took a punt on a healthy Katayama Ichimonji naginata naoshi katana of good length but a bit rusty. All it needed was a good polish! 10 Quote
Ken-Hawaii Posted November 13, 2019 Report Posted November 13, 2019 Congrats, Matt! And thanks for providing all this useful information, Ray. 1 Quote
Brian Posted November 13, 2019 Report Posted November 13, 2019 Curious if they give a reason for a fail with Juyo?Not representative enough for the smith...or not among his best works or condition or.........? Quote
Darcy Posted November 13, 2019 Report Posted November 13, 2019 Once in a while they seem to have a reset session where it becomes very difficult and then over time standards relax a bit. This is just my feeling but this seems to have been this time as I am hearing from some Japanese dealers that they got 0 through entirely, I heard lists of failures and the makers involved kind of shocked me that they would not pass. And items of good quality. In my case I submitted two that had past reference Juyos and both rare and both better than the past references and one of these went through but the other didn't. So it says to me that the standards in this shinsa are higher than in that shinsa.Failure is not necessarily related to the item being wrong or bad. They don't give reasons but I gather you might be able to get some explanation of the thought process if you bring it in. In every session there are 3 groups, the first of which is automatic pass, the second of which is this shouldn't have been submitted, then the work is done in the third group which are real candidates. Now for whatever reason, sometimes competition between blades submitted by the same smith, sometimes because of a desire to reduce the number of blades accepted (my assertation) these true candidate blades can be accepted or denied in the majority. This is what causes a high or low volume session.Those blades may all be tried again and may pass the next time around.My feeling then from what I am hearing is that this is just going to be a low item count session. My one that passed was grouped with submissions of 8 other people and it is the only one that passed in that group.And the simple answer to the question: you just get a notice that it was not accepted or that it was. Not accepted does not mean never, it means try again. 11 Quote
Tom Darling Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 What are the current fee's and if passed juyo shinsa? Peace. Tom D. Quote
Stephen Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 Old date so not currently http://www.bushidojapaneseswords.com/nbthk-shinsa-submission.html 1 Quote
Pete Klein Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 https://www.touken.or.jp/english/aboutus.html NBTHK site current. Click, 'Shinsa Fee List'. 2 Quote
cwh3 Posted November 16, 2019 Report Posted November 16, 2019 Can anyone tell me if there will be a Shinza team at one of the US sword shows in 2020? I have a sword or two to submit for Hozon. Thank you, Charlie Quote
Katsujinken Posted November 16, 2019 Report Posted November 16, 2019 Can anyone tell me if there will be a Shinza team at one of the US sword shows in 2020? I have a sword or two to submit for Hozon. Thank you, Charlie NBTHK shinsa only takes place in Japan. Quote
charlie1 Posted November 16, 2019 Report Posted November 16, 2019 The NTHK is coming to San Fran in 2020. Quote
cwh3 Posted November 18, 2019 Report Posted November 18, 2019 Hello Charlie1, Thank you for the update, NTHK is coming to San Fran in 2020. Looks like I will be making plans to attend the show and Shinza. Thank you again, Charlie Quote
Wim V Posted December 11, 2019 Report Posted December 11, 2019 Fresh off the press : the results of the 65th Juyo shinsa are published on the NBTHK website: https://www.touken.or.jp/Portals/0/pdf/shinsa/第65回重要刀剣等新指定品発表_1128.pdf Apparently 138 items were selected out of 1341 submissions: Token: 101 passed (out of 1003 submitted) Toso: 8 passed (out of 45 submitted) Tosogu: 29 passed (out of 293 submitted) 3 Quote
Jussi Ekholm Posted December 12, 2019 Report Posted December 12, 2019 Thanks for posting the link Wim. Interesting results and items passed this time too. I just wish I could study all of them. Quote
Popular Post Ray Singer Posted December 12, 2019 Author Popular Post Report Posted December 12, 2019 When I get time throughout the day I will work on translations of the results. I can pretty much guarantee that the translation will contain mistakes, so please be forgiving, but this will help in reviewing this year's results.Koto Katana Mumei: Awataguchi Kunitoshi Nagasa: 67.0cm Sori: 1.4cm Katana Shumei: Sahei (no) jo Kuniyoshi (Awataguchi) Nagasa: 74.7cm Sori: 1.2cm Katana Mumei: Awataguchi Nagasa: 70.0cm Sori: 1.4cm Katana Mumei: Awataguchi Nagasa: 63.8cm Sori: 2.2cm Katana Mumei: den Awataguchi Nagasa: 68.7cm Sori: 2.0cm Tachi Mumei: Ayanokoji Nagasa:76.9cm Sori: 2.0cm Katana Mumei: den Niji Kunitoshi Nagasa: 68.9cm Sori: 2.0cm Tanto Mei: Rai Kunitoshi Nagasa:24.7cm Sori: uchizori Katana Kinzoganmei: Rai Kunimitsu - Kōson (Kao) Nagasa: 75.3cm Sori: 1.8cm Katana Mumei: Rai Kunimitsu Nagasa: 74.8cm Sori: 1.6cm Katana Mumei: Rai Kunimitsu Nagasa: 70.6cm Sori: 1.2cm Katana Mumei: Rai Kunimitsu Nagasa: 70.4cm Sori: 2.3cm Katana Mumei: Rai Kunimitsu Nagasa: 70.0cm Sori: 1.6cm Katana Mumei: Rai Kunimitsu Nagasa: 66.3cm Sori: 1.5cm Katana Mumei: den Rai Kunimitsu Nagasa: 72.0cm Sori: 1.6cm Tanto Mei: Rai Kunimitsu Nagasa: 27.3cm Sori: Minimal/None Katana Mumei: Nakajima Rai Nagasa: 74.4cm Sori: 1.6cm Katana Mumei: Nakajima Rai Nagasa: 61.9cm Sori: 1.2cm Wakizashi Mei: Rai Kunizane Nagasa: 39.2cm Sori: 0.8cm Katana Mumei: Rai Kuniyasu Nagasa: 69.0cm Sori: 1.6cm Wakizashi Mei: Hasebe Kunishige Nagasa: 54.6cm Sori: 1.3cm Wakizashi Mei: Hasebe Kunishige Nagasa: 38.2cm Sori: 0.6cm Wakizashi Mumei: Nobukuni (shodai) Nagasa: 38.0cm Sori: 1.0cm Tachi Mei: Yoshimitsu (den Senjuin) Nagasa: 80.4cm Sori: 3.2cm Katana Mumei: Senjuin Nagasa: 73.2cm Sori: 2.6cm Katana Mumei: Senjuin Nagasa: 67.5cm Sori: 1.0cm Katana Mumei: Ryumon Nagasa: 69.4cm Sori: 1.6cm Tanto Mumei: Taima Nagasa: 29.3cm Sori: uchizori Katana Mumei: den Tegai Kanenaga Nagasa: 73.1cm Sori: 2.2cm Katana Mumei: den Tegai Kanenaga Nagasa: 68.7cm Sori: 1.7cm Tanto Mei: Yamato Shikkake ju Norinaga kore o tsukuru - Ryakuō san __ roku gatsu hi - roku ju kyu Nagasa: 21.8cm Sori: uchizori Katana Mumei: Shikkake Nagasa: 70.2cm Sori: 2.4cm Katana Mumei: Den shikkake Nagasa: 69.5cm Sori: 1.4cm Tanto: Mei: Shintogo Kunimitsu Nagasa: 19.0cm Sori: uchizori Tanto Shumei: Masamune (meibutsu Ashiya Masamune) Kōjō (Kao) (attached origami) (gold lacquer Aoi-mon aikuchi tanto koshirae) Nagasa: 27.4cm Sori: uchizori Wakizashi Mei: Sagami junin Hiromitsu - Enbun san nen san gatsu hi Nagasa: 33.7cm Sori: 0.3cm Wakizashi Mei: Soshu ju Akihiro - Ōan 2 Nagasa: 31.8cm Sori: 0.6cm Wakizashi Mei: Soshu ju Akihiro Nagasa: 36.8cm Sori: 0.6cm Katana Mumei: Takagi Sadamune Nagasa: 68.8cm Sori: 1.7cm Katana Mumei: Shizu Nagasa: 71.0cm Sori: 1.2cm Katana Mumei: Shizu Nagasa: 69.1cm Sori: 1.8cm Katana Mumei: den Shizu Nagasa 70.0cm Sori: 1.6cm Naginatanaoshi katana Mumei: Kinju Nagasa: 67.9cm Sori: 2.6cm Tachi Mei: Hoju (Eitoku jidai) Nagasa: 68.4cm Sori: 2.1cm Tachi Mei: Kashu Fujiwara Yukimitsu – Bunmei ju shichi nen ni gatsu tsuitachi Nagasa: 71.85cm Sori: 2.6cm Katana Kinzoganmei: Saeki Norishige – Kōson (Kao) Nagasa: 68.8cm Sori: 1.4cm Katana Mumei: Norishige Nagasa: 69.2cm Sori: 1.0cm Katana Mumei: den Norishige Nagasa: 70.3cm Sori: 1.5cm Katana Mumei: Ko-Bizen Kageyasu Nagasa: 70.2cm Sori: 1.3cm Tachi Mei: Kunitsuna (Ko-Bizen) Nagasa: 71.2cm Sori: 1.8cm Tachi Mei: Sukehide (Fukuoka Ichimonji) Nagasa: 70.7cm Sori: 1.3cm Tachi Mei: Yorizane (Fukuoka Ichimonji) Nagasa: 71.2cm Sori: 2.6cm Naginatanaoshi wakizashi Mumei: Fukuoka Ichimonji Nagasa: 54.6cm Sori: 0.8cm Tachi Mei: Ichi (Yoshioka) Nagasa: 79.8cm Sori: 3.0cm Katana Mumei: Katayama Ichimonji Nagasa: 71.4cm Sori: 2.2cm Naginatanaoshi katana Mumei: Katayama Ichimonji Nagasa: 67.0cm Sori: 1.4cm Katana Mumei: den Iwato Ichimonji Nagasa: 70.7cm Sori: 1.2cm Tachi Mei: Sanemori tsukuru (Hatakeda) Nagasa: 77.0cm Sori: 1.8cm Katana Kinzoganmei Hatakeda Sanemori – Kōson (Kao) Nagasa: 71.2cm Sori: 2.0cm Katana Mumei: den Unju Nagasa: 71.8cm Sori: 2.2cm Katana Mumei: Kanemitsu Nagasa: 71.6cm Sori: 1.0cm Katana Mumei: Kanemitsu Nagasa: 66.0cm Sori: 1.8cm Katana Mumei: Tomomitsu Nagasa: 69.0cm Sori: 1.4cm Tachi Mei: Bishu Osafune Masamitsu – Oei roku nen ni gatsu hi Nagasa: 66.0cm Sori: 3.2cm Katana Mumei: Chogi Nagasa: 73.8cm Sori: 1.0cm Katana Mumei: den Chogi Nagasa: 68.9cm Sori: 1.6cm Katana Mumei: den Morikage Nagasa: 71.25cm Sori: 2.0cm Katana Mumei: Yoshikage Nagasa: 73.9cm Sori: 2.2cm Katana Mumei: Yoshikage En__ roku nen - Kinzoganmei Futatsu do Kiriotoshi Yamano Kanjuro Hisahide (kao) March 27th Nagasa: 70.7cm Sori: 1.6cm Katana Mumei: Ômiya Nagasa: 69.4cm Sori: 1.8cm Wakizashi Mei: Bi(shu) Osafune Morimitsu – Oei ju kyu nen ni gatsu hi Nagasa: 31.8cm Sori: slight Wakizashi Mei: Yasumitsu Nagasa: 44.2cm Sori: 0.6cm Katana Mei: Bizen (no) kuni ju Osafune Gorōzaemon no Jō Kiyomitsu – Koji gannen ju ichi gatsu ni ju hachi ka - Tame [ni] Sugimoto Yuki kore [wo] saku Nagasa: 67.1cm Sori: 2.4cm Kodachi Mumei: Ko-Aoe Nagasa: 61.1cm Sori: 1.6cm Tachi Mei: Yukikuni (den Bitchu Seno’o) Nagasa: 65.2cm Sori: 2.0cm Tachi Mei: Nobutsugu saku - Aoe (jidai Kamakura) Nagasa: 67.0cm Sori: 2.1cm Katana Mumei: Aoe Nagasa: 71.1cm Sori: 2.0cm Katana Mumei: Mihara Masaie Nagasa: 70.6cm Sori: 2.0cm Katana Mumei: Mihara Masaie Nagasa: 69.4cm Sori: 1.3cm Katana Mumei: Hokke (jidai Nanbokucho) Nagasa: 70.1cm Sori: 1.0cm Wakizashi Mumei: Sairen Nagasa: 59.5cm Sori: 1.4cm Katana Mumei: den Samonji Nagasa: 72.7cm Sori: 1.4cm Katana Mumei: den Samonji - (Hon'ami Kōon origami) - (black lacquer uchigatana saya) Nagasa: 66.8cm Sori: 2.0cm Tanto Mei: Chikushu ju Kunihiro saku – Shohei ju ni nen ni gatsu kichi jitsu Nagasa: 26.9cm Sori: 0.1cm Tanto Mumei: Sa Kunihiro Nagasa: 25.0cm Sori: 0.2cm Katana Mumei: Sa Yoshisada Nagasa: 69.7cm Sori: 1.6cm Naginatanaoshi wakizashi Mumei: Sa Hiroyasu Nagasa: 58.6cm Sori: 1.2cm Tachi Mei: Yukihira saku Nagasa: 76.6cm Sori: 2.2cm Katana Mei: Taira Shizunori Nagasa: 81.6cm Sori: 2.6cm Tachi Mumei: Enju Kunimura Nagasa: 78.6cm Sori: 1.8cm Katana Mumei: Enju Kunimura Nagasa: 67.9cm Sori: 1.7cm Katana Kinzoganmei: Enju Kuniyoshi – Kōson (Kao) Nagasa: 74.5cm Sori: 2.4cm Katana Mumei: Enju Kunitoki Nagasa: 74.0cm Sori: 2.4cm Katana Mumei: Enju Kunitoki Nagasa: 76.2cm Sori: 1.3cm Katana Mumei: Enju Nagasa: 69.1cm Sori: 1.5cm Tanto Mei: Hishu (Kiku)chi ju Kunifusa – Oei go nen ju gatsu hi Nagasa: 26.0cm Sori: none Katana Mumei: Ko-Naminohira Nagasa: 71.3cm Sori: 2.6cm Shinto 98. Wakizashi Mei: Kunihiro Nagasa: 40.2cm Sori: 0.65cm 99. Katana Mei: Hankei Nagasa: 74.4cm Sori: 1.4cm 100. Katana Mei: Oite Doshu Sa Yukihide saku – Kaei roku nen aki Nagasa: 73.0cm Sori: 2.0cm 101. Katana Mei: Hizen (no) kuni ju Fujiwara Tadahiro (nidai) Nagasa: 76.4cm Sori: 1.6cm 19 Quote
Ken-Hawaii Posted December 13, 2019 Report Posted December 13, 2019 That's a ton of work, Ray - thanks! 4 Quote
Vermithrax16 Posted December 13, 2019 Report Posted December 13, 2019 Wow Ray! Thanks! Big Kunimitsu party! I would most like to see the Taima tanto and the 2 Kanenaga swords. 1 Quote
Ray Singer Posted December 13, 2019 Author Report Posted December 13, 2019 Thank you both. I just did a proofreading pass and made some important corrections. There are still some portions of items 69, 73 and 83 that I still need to address. Best regards, Ray 2 Quote
Ray Singer Posted December 13, 2019 Author Report Posted December 13, 2019 Additional updates above, and as far as I can take the translations without further assistance. Tosogu are their own thing, so if anyone would like to take a stab at the tosogu translations please feel free to post the descriptions here. Best regards, Ray Quote
mywei Posted December 13, 2019 Report Posted December 13, 2019 Nice, Ray.! I think #57 is den Iwato Ichimonji though Quote
Ray Singer Posted December 13, 2019 Author Report Posted December 13, 2019 Yes, you're absolutely right Matt. Unfortunately the 24-hour period has passed and I cannot edit the post. If any of the admins can make that correction it would be appreciated. 57. Katana Mumei: den Iwato Ichimonji Nagasa: 70.7cm Sori: 1.2cm Quote
Tom Darling Posted December 20, 2019 Report Posted December 20, 2019 With only one shinshinto Sa yukihide. I believe that's accurate, if missed any. I recall one 20 odd years ago that was mumei and passed? Very helpful Ray. Thank you. Tom D. Quote
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