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Ok. Get ready for fees. Small annoying fees. Winning fee Local delivery fee Banking fee And the postage and taxes. But the selection of items both quality and price is 1000 times better. Firstly you must have money in your jauce account to bid. When you win the item is posted to jauce, they pack it and send it to you. There packaging is the best. Double padded in sturdy boxes all send via Japan post tracked an fully insured. Proof of id at pick up. All this can extend the time from buy to getting it in your hot little hands. If your tsuba knowledge is good you will find gems at good prices. If you want to buy drink coaster tsuba like the crude things afew posts above that you couldnt attribute to a school or smith or learn anything from. Then ebay is the easier option.

There are several misunderstandings. 1. Aoi Art says that early spring 1934 is the date when Kanzan wrote the sayagaki. 2. The correct date when the sayagaki was written is early spring in 1968. This is Aoi Art’s mistake.

I think this is the very heart of the "problem". Investing more money on fewer items is no guarantee that the items are in fact "better" - How does paying more increase the quality? It should be the case but often it is not. Which one of these is selling for US $32,775.00 and the other for US $422.06 ? - Now tell me why buying the more expensive one gets me value for money?

Just buy good quality tsuba (fittings etc) from trusted sources, ideally papered so you know as well as you can that you’re getting what you pay for. If you want to go treasure hunting, go ahead, but expect the dross to far outweigh the quality. This can has been kicked down the road ad nauseam. There’s a simple answer to this conundrum and that’s to not be drawn into speculating on stuff on dodgy websites where the sellers hold the big cards.

Dear Uwe, thank you so much for the images! It is as though we were there ;).

Yes, KANEIE style, not school, I think. Late EDO might also be correct.

Just thought i would add to this thread, for beginners and costs. In my humble experience of tsuba, would say $80 is a rock bottom price. So lets say you buy 150 x $80 tsuba, thats $12000. (if your lucky on something half decent) That's no small amount of money for folks with a small budget. Horses for courses, up to folks what they spend their money on, just making a point.

Fair enough, but that’s an extreme example! For the sake of the exercise, I like the one on top more (but I’d never pay 32k!) I guess my point was, that in my experience, I see far nicer items in the $200-$500 dollar range than I do in the sub $150 range. And if you have some knowledge, dealing in that price range, (especially with trusted dealers), would likely yield more a more quality collection. Like Dan said though, more risk, and I get that. -Sam

Thought this might fit nicely into this post. Jason

As this thread was meant for newer collectors, I have one piece of advice on any auction site. If you are unsure whether a piece is legit or not, take a look at what else that seller has to offer. If they have one questionable tsuba, but then have another ten that are clearly cast or reproductions, I suggest passing on the one in question. I feel auction sites are a better learning tool than many people realize, as long as you are just window shopping. My other piece of advice is to then go to a website like Ginza Seiyudo and study their pieces so one can start to understand the difference in quality. I believe this has saved me from mistakes, especially when I first started poking after getting my collection and wanting to buy more right away. Jason

I think going wide is just as viable as going quality, in my opinion there is no correct way in collecting and enjoying the hobby. I can very well understand Dan. As to certain point I would be going similar way if I had funds. In my personal collection I would much rather have 10 middle tier swords than 1 high quality sword in comparison. To me that would be much more enjoyable. I have a friend here in Finland who has 100+ tsuba along with very massive collection of all things Samurai. I always enjoy greatly viewing so large number of tsuba with huge variation in styles and quality as well. I know not everyone would like that but I try to enjoy items of all levels.

The inscription is Yamano Kanjuro, but you are right in that the kaō does indeed look exactly like Nagahisa's kaō. I'll assume that the NBTHK didn't find anything suspicious in the cutting test mei (otherwise they might have made the subtle notation "to saidan mei ga aru" (i.e. "there is a cutting test inscription which says....."). This is their way of distancing themselves from any validation on the cutting test inscription. In other words, they use that phrase when they want to say "the sword is from so-and-so, and by the way there is also a cutting test inscription, but we make no claim about the validity of the cutting test inscription". But yes, an interesting observation.

Kaneie school, ca. 1800?

Me either! Sorry but the one with the timber background was the most expensive. [and from ebay!] Coming down to more realistic prices - [neither are from ebay ] one selling for USD $300 the other USD $55.19 In this case the one with the "heavy" Tagane-ato gets my vote and is the less expensive. I guess dealers have to make a profit but their turnover would be better if the profit percentage was say 100% rather than close to 500% like this last example! [OK 445.45% to be exact for the **** -retentive] Don't you just hate that! There are way too many of these "buy in bulk lots" where you only want the ONE good piece and you end up with a drawer full of junk and have to pay more for shipping that said junk around the planet! I have messaged many dealers asking for the price of "the one" but never get a good result - they are too anxious to clean out their own desk drawer!

I have found a few tsuba bargains on ebay but in recent years they have been much rarer. One nice tsuba among a bunch of junk tsuba one seller was offering last year turned out great. It is still possible but its not something I would encourage beginners to do because the time spent searching for a deal makes it a false economy...and you have to know what youre looking at.

Thanks Dan, and fair enough. To each their own. I've been collecting for a similar amount of time. When I started, I had similar aspirations to collect more, but as I've learned and acquired items of varying quality, I now want less (but nicer) items. It's interesting to hear other peoples perspectives and collecting motivations. I generally agree, that I'd rather have 5 great swords over 1 supreme sword. I find enjoyment in variety, and I imagine I'd get bored with a tiny collection. To careen this back on track. If you must buy on eBay, here's some advice that I recommend: 1. Like Spartancrest said above, always check shipping price! I've seen items listed for $10 with $500 shipping attached, in hopes someone won't notice. 2. Always check seller history and feedback. If a seller has no history, or bad feedback. Take that into account and proceed with caution. 3. Always check seller location and shipping details before purchase. I've seen sellers with "pickup only". Or sellers shipping from antarctica. Beware! 4. Find sellers you like and trust, or are recommended, and prioritize them. 5. Understand the inherent risks of buying on the internet. Happy hunting. -Sam

An interesting comment in the Varshavsky collection reference from Dale. Provenance: Robert E. Haynes, Mark Weisman. This is what shibuiswords.com says about this tsuba: Just for context, Robert (Bob) Haynes is one of the foremost Japanese sword fittings authorities in the US, having studied with Dr. Kazutaro Torigoye in Japan in the 1960's. There is a lot of useful tsuba material by Bob on the Shibui Swords site, Elliott and Bob collaborate a lot since they live near each other.

No offense Dan, but your pride in your 150 tsuba in conjunction with your explanation that you can't afford nicer ones, really doesn't make any sense to me. Take the money you've invested in 150 eBay tsuba. Would you not have more enjoyment investing the same amount of money in say, 50 tsuba? Would the quality not increase a lot? Is there a benefit or satisfaction to having 150 low-end tsuba versus 50 nicer ones? Or even, 25? Just trying to understand the 'why'. Cheers, -Sam

For sale Futatokoro set by Yoshioka school with Omodaka Mon design 1.600 EUR + postage + PP fee Shipped from Slovakia

I was just checking some historical items in Japanese books and there are possibly few daishō that are slightly pre-1600 as they can be traced back to specific owner. However they had the blades the person had historically and not matching pair of blades. Also the pair of tachi & short sword is referred in books as ryō-goshi (両腰). The actual surviving historical examples of these are ultimately rare. I think in the few koshirae books I have there is only 1 with proven ownership. Now bit tongue in cheeck but still factual at the same time. Unfortunately I don't yet own all of the Jūyō books but so far this is the only item anywhere I have seen with this setup after they re-sent this for Jūyō as the package. There are some papered Jūyō daishō that have attachment daishō koshirae. However this was originally from Jūyō 16 as daishō with attachment koshirae but re-evaluation at Jūyō 47 now has daishō & daishō koshirae on the same paper. An unicorn to chase...

Alex, it is a naturally preserved oak wood, and can be even much older! Hunting knife with bog oak handle:

That´s all, folks!

Just a quick update: I´m working on it. In the meantime: Ko-Bizen Kageyasu. Signed, one hole, ubu.

Hi, Everyone, I attended DTI and bought one, 長船倫光　（Osafune Tomomitsu, Mumei He was a student of Osafune Kagemitsu. Around Enbun・Jyoji era（1356－1367） This is O-suriage which is fine for me since my arm is short, otherwise I can not open the sword by myself. This was the one displayed inside the glass case of the Sokendo booth. The Kissaki needed a little polish, so I left it for the polish. The person who took this photo stood at the lower end, therefore, the entire shape is distorted. On the Keicho-do thread, I posted the photos of the Yakata-bune party hosted by Mr. Robert Hughes. It was great fun. Thank you, Mr. Robert Hughes. I have more photos, but it does not allow me to attach. The kissaki is between the chu-gissaki and o-gissaki.

Hi, TOSHO ~1600? 78x77x3mm - 375$ + shipment. Paypal or bank-wire transfer.

Dear all I would like to part with some koshirae - the first comes without a tsuba and is a breath-taking Gotō-style koshirae: Magnificent koshirae with a saya lacquered with gold nashiji urushi with scattered cherry blossoms in gold, aokin hiramaki-e and takamaki-e. The tsuka is covered with ray skin and wrapped with a black silk. The fuchi kashirae are made of shakudo with a nanako ground depicting samurai in a pine grove (the kiwame mei Kenjō Saku Mitsuyoshi Kao (顕乗作 光美 [花押]) has to be considered gimei as the work resembles Kaga Gotō). The menuki each in the shape of kabuto. The koiguchi, kurigata and kojiri are made of gold lacquer. The high quality tsunagi is inscribed Mitsuhira (光平 = Heki Mitsuhira) in pencil on the back. Dimenensions: Tsunagi Nagasa: 70.3 cm Tsunagi Nakago: 21.7 cm Tsunagi Total length: about 92 cm Asking price: EUR 1,700.00 plus actual shipping costs (varying depending on your location between about EUR 15 up to EUR 80) I am open to reasonable offers - but unfortuantely, I cannot accept trade-ins. Kind regards Chris

Hello friends, I am not very familiar with Tsuba. Can someone please tell me in which school and age I can classify this tsuba?

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Thanks for sharing the video, Peter. I enjoyed watching it.

Hi Peter, It could be Kaneie but if it is, it is late - seems like too much inlay and in various colours. Kaneie was more known for a sparing amount of gold inlay - less was more, at least in the early works. Gimei usually have a signature - it was the selling point even when it was obviously not true. No signature would suggest to me it is not trying to be a Kaneie but might be following similar designs. Shoami? [Yes I know a bit of a "catch-all"] Minimal inlay - prominent signature. Signed Fushimi ju kaneie, circa 1650-1750. Someone with more knowledge will point us in the right direction.

Lol - What I meant in this case was this particular seller had a lot of true junk listed. Overpriced low-quality genuine tsuba along with the worst kind of china repro junk, but in among the tat was a nice, albeit not very old tsuba I made an offer on which was accepted. What you are talking about though I see all the time, and it seems to be even more the case with auction houses savvy to what their buyers actually want to get ahold of. Another classic is to throw a real nice menuki in, without its partner of course, or attempt to palm off tobacco pouch ornaments as menuki..

...again not sword related, however may be useful as a reference tool. A list of marks from various ordinances. John C.

David, Testing the Sambar/horn TSUBA is easy: Heat up a needle in a gas-flame and touch the material. Usually, horn will melt, bone/antler (consisting mainly of Calcium phosphate) won't. Sambar is not as white as other antler material, especially when it's old, so my guess went for that.

Closeup of the Rai Kunitoshi

I would think it was the National treasure ōdachi by Tomomitsu. After seeing it several times in the museum it is probably my favorite sword as it is just amazing item. However there are other incredible ōdachi that I have seen and picking favorites is bit difficult.

I do totally agree with you. I buy 99% of my things from Jauce - they are reliable and a great deal of the time much cheaper [especially when the same object is selling on ebay] I am not so happy with the multiple fees but even taking that into account they still end up better value. It is a shame even Jauce is now allowing the crude fakes to appear, but at least they tend to be bunched together so you can easily skip them en-masse. Of course Jauce and Yahoo and Buyee tend to sell the same items, it just depends which company people like to deal with. I have been buying through Jauce for more than ten years now - why would I switch? https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/286181606407 vs https://www.jauce.com/auction/v1162501365 that is US $163.89 on ebay vs US $55.70 on Jauce https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/286181606420 vs https://www.jauce.com/auction/t1162476189 that is US $120.99 on ebay vs US $36.27 on Jauce These are not insignificant price differences even with fees and shipping.

And at least two fan paintings. All the best.

A Juyo Tadamitsu Wakizashi with cutting test by the Yamano family, also noting it cut through the chest with one hand: https://nihonto.com/6-1-24/

@Dan tsuba I’m new to this hobby, but I don’t agree with you on that point. If you’re serious about this, I don’t think constantly looking for tsuba you can afford is the best way to learn. What’s wrong with buying a $500 tsuba instead of 2–3 $150 tsuba? Don’t you think you could learn more from better-quality pieces? Ebay, Yahoo, and Jauce are full of lower-level tsuba. A forum member once gave me similar advice regarding swords. He told me that if I was serious about collecting, instead of buying $1k–$2k swords, I should save up and aim for better names or schools. That way, I’d have higher-quality pieces in my collection(maybe not 10 but only 3) and could learn much more from them. I don’t know how many tsuba you currently have, but wouldn’t you rather have only 5 Tokubetsu Hozon papered ones instead of 50 lower-level ones? (I'm not qualified to judge, it's just a question)

Lovely sword. Must have been a loooong katana originally. Looking forward to pics after the polish.

It was a great show. I was able to work with Mike Y and find a wonderful first addition to my collection! There were swords ranging from $1000 to well over $500k for a few JuBi examples I saw. Every sword I inspected was in a perfect or very near perfect polish. This was a great time to really see excellent examples of some top smiths. Every dealer was incredibly willing to show swords well out of my budget. I didn’t go asking after the TJ or JuBi swords, but I handled many Juyo swords that were $50k+ including some amazing Rai and Norishige blades among others. Reading kanji names as Adam mentioned above was crucial. I don’t know all of the kanji names and provinces but knowing a little goes a very long way. Same goes with the paper levels and eras (Kamakura, Edo, etc.) The catalog swords were all over the price spectrum. I expected some of the catalog swords I was interested to all be out of my budget but surprisingly 2 of them were right at my budget level. One small thing, many of the Japanese only dealers have prices listed in JPY using man (10,000yen multiples) just something small to know. It was a wonderful show and I wished I could’ve spent the full 2 days there and taken advantage of the English events before and afterwards. I heard there were some excellent English sword study groups on Monday with top smith blades that I would’ve loved to attend but the wife was already gracious enough to spend 5 hours with me on Saturday!

The door-handle of my forge:

Tokyo Dai Token Ichi Additional Events For 2024 This is an invitation for overseas visitors who will visit Japan to attend the Dai Token Ichi 1) Sword Study Session at Cinq on Thursday, October 31st.. (Organized by Seikodo and Keichodo) On Thursday, October 31st, there will be a sword study and dinner party again in Ginza at the Italian Restaurant Cinq (same venue as previous years). Location is quite convenient. Participant fee is yen 5,000 (for the venue) and the dinner party will be sponsored by Mr. Hisashi Saito of Seikodo. Pay participant fee on arrival at the venue. Once again, the date will be Thursday, Oct. 31st! Arrival time will be from 5:30 p.m. for the sword study. Discussion of swords at 6:30 and the dinner party will follow the sword study at around 7:15 ... Attendance by advance reservation only! Contact: Robert Hughes at keichodo@yahoo.com Cinq - Access For the Thursday study session, it is very easy to find the venue "Cinq" from inside the Metro System (subway). You go to Ginza Station (on the Ginza line), then go up one level from the platform to the underground concourse and find the B-6 exit. The restaurant/club is called Cinq and it is half way up the exit stairwell. So, you don't even have to exit onto street level, it is right inside the metro underground network. It is very convenient....no long walk or need for a taxi. The actual street address for Cinq is Ginza 5-4-3 Taikakukan B1 which is the building with the B6 subway entrance, so go down the first flight of subway entrance stairs and you will find Cinq at the first stair landing. Cinq address: 東京都中央区銀座 5-4-3 対鶴館 B1 〒104-0061 Taikakukan B1, 5-4-3 Ginza, Chuo-ku, Tokyo 2) Saturday, Nov. 2nd Yakatabune Tokyo Bay Cruise Dinner Party with plenty to eat and all you can drink..... (organized by Keichodo) Arrangements: This event is being planned for Saturday, November 2nd! As in the past, participants can leave from in front of Dai Token Ichi (Tokyo Bijitsu Club) at 6:30 p.m. Cruise to start from 7:00 p.m. Participation by advance reservation only. Contact: Robert Hughes at keichodo@yahoo.com... Your reservation must be confirmed by October 31st. Notification to attend is also a commitment to pay if event is held (weather permitting)... Cost is yen 12,000 per participant (tax included) to be paid by noon on November 2nd at the Keichodo stall at the DTI. If you plan on going directly to the venue to board the mighty vessel without riding the bus, please notify in advance as a head count is conducted prior to the bus departure. Again, participation will be by advance reservation only. Reservations need to be finalized/confirmed 48 hours prior to the event. No cancellations after reservation commitment please… Notification to attend is also a commitment to pay. Cost yen 12,000 per participant (including sales tax) to be paid by 12:00 noon at the DTI.

Hi Bruce., I don't think the kana on the top edge of the nakago are four strokes: 六 They look more like three strokes: 大 That could be read as "Grade 1" Discuss......