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#1 haroldianwatson

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 04:45 PM

Hi There,

I posted this Katana in the Translation section for help with authentication. So far it seems to have been identified as a Fuyuhiro Saku with Shaomi Tsuba in good condition. I am an auctioneer from Ontario Canada, and this item is listed on my website for auction closing Thursday October 12th at 7PM (GMT-5).

 

Anyone interested in bidding simply go to this website and follow the prompts. International Shipping can be arranged if you are the winning bidder:

 

http://kwauctions.hi...ehouse-pickup-/

 
Any questions feel free to email me directly at info@kwauctions.ca, any additional information (age, value, etc) would be appreciated.
 
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#2 Ken-Hawaii

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 09:54 PM

Ian, Fuyuhiro is the tosho (smith), & saku means "made." The tsuba is Shoami, when spelled correctly.

 

When you show the blade, what buyers want to see are the BLADE details, not everything but the blade! Speaking of which, it doesn't look shoshin (real) to me.

 

If you're going to auction Nihonto, then you really need to spend some time understanding what you're selling.

 

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 09:15 AM

Ken, are you sure you don't want want to sentence him to 40 lashes of the whip, or maybe engage him with percussion pistols at dawn?
C'mon now...you've been here for a long time. No need to be so harsh. Do we really expect an auctioneer who comes across one item to study for months before listing it?
I'm very happy sellers and auctioneers find us and are willing to register in an attempt to describe their items better (and yes..make more money of course)
I think you are overly harsh there. The sword is what it is. In that condition, gimei or not is irrelevant. I actually like the shape and think if it goes cheap it would be a nice sword. But that is aside...
Let's be a little less "take that!" and more "thanks for asking...try this.."

 
Ian, more pics of the blade would help. Bare blade with no fittings, and a few close ups of various areas like tip, notches, tang in full etc.
Good luck, I know I wouldn't mind it if the price was ok.

Ken...stand in the corner and think about what you have done. :neutral:


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#4 Malcolm

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 07:06 AM

Just a thought, is the Kashira one of those known as Ate Gashira?

 

It certainly looks like it could have an offensive use.


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Posted 03 October 2017 - 12:25 AM

Thanks for your understanding as this is the first Katana I've come across as an auctioneer.  I would like to describe the item as accurately as possible. This was actually the 3rd board I tried joining and the only board that allowed me to register so thanks for being accessible!

 

While determining an age or value would be great for my seller i realize that value is relative and that some buyers may not want to share their knowledge, as it is could have an upward influence on the sale price. My main concern is verifying that it is an authentic blade as I don't want to upset the winning bidder if this is indeed a fake blade. (Bidding is already at $525 CDN)

 

Anyway, I've added more photos of the naked blade and close-ups of the tip and tang as suggested.

Thank you all for your help and corrections thus far, as I've learned lots from this message board already.

 

Cheers,

Ian

 

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 03:34 AM

it is a real Japanese sword not modern fake. That said it seems low quality (way the hi are cut, tsuba). I like the fuchi. probably bring a fair price at auction


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Posted 03 October 2017 - 04:22 AM

mark the Hi and the whole sword appears to have alot of meat removed from repeat polishing, compare the nakago to the habaki-moto.

machi's appears to be re-done too

IMHO sue koto from the over polish but the sugata makes me think shinshinto too


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Posted 03 October 2017 - 03:24 PM

I would say it is much older than shin-shinto. Nice O-Kissaki and the hamon follows in the boshi.

From my little knowledge late muromachi. I like it.



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Posted 03 October 2017 - 03:42 PM

Id put it at Osuriage  by about a foot at least if not more. Mid Nanbokucho. the hi not running thru all the the nakago.


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#10 nagamaki - Franco

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 07:00 PM

Id put it at Osuriage  by about a foot at least if not more. Mid Nanbokucho. the hi not running thru all the the nakago.

 

The hi not running all the way thru the nakago, hmmm.


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Posted 03 October 2017 - 08:31 PM

Sorry didnt have time to look it up..Kaki -nagashi, is the feeling, doesn't mean im right.


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#12 nagamaki - Franco

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 09:51 PM

Hi Stephen,

 

 

1. Sorry didnt have time to look it up..Kaki -nagashi, 2. is the feeling

 

 

1. No worries, thanks. 2. Looks to me like the hi does run all the way through, even though it tapers off due to curvature. 

 

also,

 

It could be as late as early Muromachi.


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Posted 03 October 2017 - 11:01 PM

so

 

UBU??

tori sori

o kissaki

maybe gunome??

unokubi zukuri??

 

tradition?? mino/echizen  a real guess as I have no books


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#14 raymondsinger

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 11:11 PM

Perhaps Keicho.



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Posted 04 October 2017 - 12:10 AM

so

 

UBU??

 

 

tradition?? mino/echizen  a real guess as I have no books

 

 

1. O suriage

 

2. no books!


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Posted 04 October 2017 - 01:49 AM

Agreed.. O-Suriage by about a foot. The hi in Nakago show that the blade had decent saki-sori. Boshi is koto. I strongly think early Muromachi mino with Gimei fuyuhiro attribution.
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Posted 04 October 2017 - 02:27 AM

yea it runs off now but not when Ubu was my point


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Posted 04 October 2017 - 07:23 AM

I'm a bit lost, 

 

ubu or osuriage ???


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Posted 04 October 2017 - 07:27 AM

its not Ubu


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#20 Hamfish

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 10:49 AM

ok cool, 


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#21 Alex A

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 07:48 PM

I like the fuchi, spent ages looking for one like that once, never found one.


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#22 Jacques D.

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 09:53 AM

Seems U-no-kubi zukuri, nagasa ? 



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Posted 05 October 2017 - 10:03 AM

That is a really cool sword.

The hamon ist different in all parts and looks very nice. I would like to see it polished.

 

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 10:31 PM

The current high Bid is at $975 CDN (589 Pounds) and the auction will be closing at 7pm Eastern Time tonight (in 2.5 hours): 

If anyone is interested in bidding it is still open, but must be done through our auction site:

https://kwauctions.h...ra/?ref=catalog

 

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Thank you all for your help identifying this Katana! Will let you know what the winning bid is tomorrow!

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 10:42 PM

we dont do ither one down here

 

maybe dollars ??

 

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#26 Surfson

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 01:27 AM

I have to admit that I bought this blade (the auction site says I "may" have won!).  I tend to agree with those that think it is nanbokucho and severely cut down, removing most of the koshizori shape.  Another possibility, aside from the gimei Fuyuhiro theory, is that the mei is Sukehiro.  I think I see a vertical radical in the first kanji that could make it a Suke, and there were one or two early Muromachi guys that signed that way.  Anyway, I hope it's not a dog and worthy of restoration!  


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 01:33 AM

I have to admit that I bought this blade (the auction site says I "may" have won!).  I tend to agree with those that think it is nanbokucho and severely cut down, removing most of the koshizori shape.  Another possibility, aside from the gimei Fuyuhiro theory, is that the mei is Sukehiro.  I think I see a vertical radical in the first kanji that could make it a Suke, and there were one or two early Muromachi guys that signed that way.  Anyway, I hope it's not a dog and worthy of restoration!  

 

Hi Surfson,

I recognize your username from the auction site. "May Have Won" does for all intensive purposes mean that you won the item. The site for some reason only shows "outbid' or "may have won", possibly because the transaction is not finalized until I (the auctioneer) send out the invoices after the auction close. Either way Congratulations! And i'll be in touch via email with shipping details.

 

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 01:17 PM

Damn, missed it. I would have liked to take a chance on it too.


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#29 Bazza

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 01:32 PM

... but the sugata makes me think shinshinto too

Especially with the o-kissaki...

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 01:39 PM

May the roll of the dice be 7 or 11.
Hope im around to see this done!!
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