Kiipu Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 On 11/22/2022 at 6:02 AM, Bruce Pennington said: We now have 3 of his, and all 3 were numbered like this, above the mei: Feb 1943 267 This sword has a small 関 inspection stamp and this could have a bearing on the numbers that are being seen. Last ditch Naval Rinji Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 10 hours ago, Kiipu said: This sword has a small 関 inspection stamp and this could have a bearing on the numbers that are being seen. Are you saying that the numbering, and location, might have been done by Nagoya Arsenal inspectors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiipu Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 Depends if the other Takamasa 高正 blades also have a small Seki 関 stamp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted December 1, 2022 Report Share Posted December 1, 2022 20 hours ago, Kiipu said: Depends if the other Takamasa 高正 blades also have a small Seki 関 stamp I don't see any on the other 2, however I found a Takamasa, Jan '44, posted by @markc with Na stamps, HERE. No mention of numbers, and not enough of the nakago shown to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vajo Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 ebay offer from japan (tokyo) i think it is interesting. Worldwar2 original imperial japanese army koshirae for type95 military sword 2 | eBay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 40 minutes ago, vajo said: ebay offer from japan (tokyo) i think it is interesting. That's the most pristine Iijima stamp I've ever seen! That's going to replace the one I have in the Stamps doc, in the next revision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John C Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 @Bruce Pennington Bruce: Here is another hot stamp. Very difficult to read. But I think it may be a Masahide based on the shape. The sword has all manner of horimono and stylistic writing. https://www.ebay.com/itm/114468413750?hash=item1aa6d96136:g:b6IAAOSwgn5fiv-E&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAsIpIHHDoC4ujtsvG1TncUEK9cgWSpTH7KsTxUUZkonGR1rQuyjUeRFlfNuE28ZbVdq64eGSkYTvUAcSFUAz9bMg6nJj3lW6jGMaMer6rSkyRfcpcx06L1zKlujcx9ID6OgvEHz%2FqteItvp0oPXAWxzdrehH%2FjDbTpV8UdqN7%2FOpci2SNlNp9PdOvGphlBcrQLKimiaa3OYoQIOlMA%2BJnrvXgZK5MmUOx1wLPP6tg9Kyx|tkp%3ABk9SR_Tn0IicYQ John C. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 Good one, John, thanks! Masahide, Feb 1805. One of the few smiths (only found 2 so far - Masahide and Sadatsugu) that use both kakihan and kokuin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNSSHOGUN Posted December 11, 2022 Report Share Posted December 11, 2022 Can't recall seeing this stamp on Koshirae before: https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/l1075151392 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted December 11, 2022 Report Share Posted December 11, 2022 6 hours ago, PNSSHOGUN said: Can't recall seeing this stamp on Koshirae before Your right! @BANGBANGSAN Isn't this one you were discussing recently? It has that "fan" shaped kanji. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george trotter Posted December 11, 2022 Report Share Posted December 11, 2022 Bruce, I think that is the first kanji of the name KOBE. There was a sword merchant shop in Yotsuya, Tokyo, owned by Kobe Kazuyuki (not sure of the personal name reading). The kanji KO is the same as the kanji inside your stamp. I'm sorry that my scanner isn't working or I'd copy their article/advert from the 1942 book "Dai Nihon Token Shoko Meikan" pp.86-87. The shop advert does not show your stamp as a logo, but who knows. If someone has this book maybe they can post it here for you, with a few words of explanation. While the shop name's first kanji is the same as your stamp, it does not guarantee that your stamp is their trademark, but maybe yes.... Regards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANGBANGSAN Posted December 11, 2022 Report Share Posted December 11, 2022 @PNSSHOGUN @Bruce Pennington That's one version mark of 神户商店(Kobe Shoten),yes ,the one making Type 95 fitting. Here are some photos of the mark they used on Gunto. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george trotter Posted December 12, 2022 Report Share Posted December 12, 2022 Yes, that is the one I was speaking about Trystan. Well done. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted December 12, 2022 Report Share Posted December 12, 2022 Ditto! Bing! Thanks guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiipu Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 FYI, old versus new, same meaning. 神 = 神. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted December 14, 2022 Report Share Posted December 14, 2022 On 12/11/2022 at 1:18 PM, BANGBANGSAN said: That's one version mark of 神户商店(Kobe Shoten),yes ,the one making Type 95 fitting. Here are some photos of the mark they used on Gunto. Trystan, I'm working up a section in the Stamps Doc for these Kobe stamps. So, to be clear, you believe all 3 of these to be from Kobe Shoten? Adding to my problem, in my head, is the "K" in sakura and, what we believe, the "Ichi" in sakura. Are we saying that these 2 are also of Kobe Shoten? And my final issue is of the "S" in diamond of Kobe Steel Works ...... same company? If all the same, or related, I'll put them all together in their own section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John C Posted December 14, 2022 Report Share Posted December 14, 2022 12 hours ago, Kiipu said: FYI, old versus new, same meaning. 神 = 神. Funny. I've seen the newer kanji on fake swords. I wondered what it meant. John C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stegel Posted December 14, 2022 Report Share Posted December 14, 2022 Here's another strange one, i assume it was respectfully made by (a Navy Koshirae maker??) Does it read from right to left?? It doesn't look like it would be for a Rinji Spec sword (Type 100 / 0 / 3 / Pattern 44 / NLF etc etc), as there is no provision for a locking latch. More likely for a Type 97 IMO. I can't read it and am hoping one of you guys could give a translation. Thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted December 14, 2022 Report Share Posted December 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Bruce Pennington said: Trystan, I'm working up a section in the Stamps Doc for these Kobe stamps. So, to be clear, you believe all 3 of these to be from Kobe Shoten? Adding to my problem, in my head, is the "K" in sakura and, what we believe, the "Ichi" in sakura. Are we saying that these 2 are also of Kobe Shoten? And my final issue is of the "S" in diamond of Kobe Steel Works ...... same company? If all the same, or related, I'll put them all together in their own section. Kobe Seikōsho still there today. https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/神戸製鋼所 Kobe and IKKO 神戸一幸 as it says on Trystan’s ad. I see enough of “K, S and I” there already to tie these together. Would need double-checking though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted December 14, 2022 Report Share Posted December 14, 2022 6 hours ago, Stegel said: Does it read from right to left?? It definitely was written right to left. The last two are "tsukuru kore" which means "caredully, or respectfully, made this" but I don't know the smith name. Waiting for @Kiipu @BANGBANGSAN or @SteveM for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiipu Posted December 14, 2022 Report Share Posted December 14, 2022 10 hours ago, Stegel said: Does it read from right to left? I can't read it and am hoping one of you guys could give a translation. The characters 馬嶋信之 read from right to left. This very same tsuba came up recently via @John C. Just a thought, based upon the placement of the characters, it could be the owner's name. Tsuba mei translation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted December 14, 2022 Report Share Posted December 14, 2022 23 minutes ago, Kiipu said: Just a thought, based upon the placement of the characters, it could be the owner's name. Tactfully done, Thomas. You could have said “Bruce, please stop trying to translate things!” Ha! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANGBANGSAN Posted December 14, 2022 Report Share Posted December 14, 2022 14 hours ago, Bruce Pennington said: Trystan, I'm working up a section in the Stamps Doc for these Kobe stamps. So, to be clear, you believe all 3 of these to be from Kobe Shoten? Adding to my problem, in my head, is the "K" in sakura and, what we believe, the "Ichi" in sakura. Are we saying that these 2 are also of Kobe Shoten? And my final issue is of the "S" in diamond of Kobe Steel Works ...... same company? If all the same, or related, I'll put them all together in their own section. 神户製鋼所 is one of the factory who make Type 90 helmets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fit4life Posted December 30, 2022 Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 Hello, I have been given great analysis and opinions on this stamp but wondering what this thread has to say about it. TY, James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTM72 Posted December 30, 2022 Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 @fit4life For clarity, please show where the mystery stamp is in relation to the mei. your other post shows it well. This was posted to your original thread. Help identify writing and info on sword Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMR516 Posted January 3, 2023 Report Share Posted January 3, 2023 Just wanted to add my Nagamitsu RJT Type 3 for the records! (If anyone can translate the wooden tag that would be fantastic!) #2352 Ichi-Ryu-Shi-Saku Mei 26 & 1/4”inches Guard to Tip 38 & 1/2” inches overall w/ Scabbard 7mm Thick Mune 30.22mm Wide at the base, 23.78mm wide at center, 20.32mm at the Yokote. 45mm from the Tip to Yokote. Previously I thought the stamp was Noshu Nihonto Tanrenio, but I realize now it is not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bruce Pennington Posted January 4, 2023 Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 Thanks Evan! Nice Rinji seishiki! Nagamitsu made some good looking blades, for sure. And you're right, that stamp is the "Saka" of the Osaka Army Arsenal. I've added yours to the survey and files, thanks again. We'll need @SteveM @Kiipu or @BANGBANGSAN for the surrender tag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted January 4, 2023 Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 On 11/16/2022 at 8:15 PM, robinalexander said: Hi Thomas, blade number 4042. No other marking on tang or mune. 十五 so you think it could be 15 ? I have no idea at all but I will throw this is just in case it means something to someone .... 10 + No/Yuki ? Rob On 11/16/2022 at 10:21 PM, Stegel said: It's a shame the mounting hole is so close, so as to make ID harder. I have an early type 95 with these stamps instead of the W, and also, some similar scratched numbers on the tang. So, the plot thickens! Thanks to @John C, we have a third, "97". But the interesting thing is that it's on a blade in Type 94 fittings. For a while, I couldn't remember what thread I had seen similar numbers, but I figured it out. It's the same style crude numbering as the two posted by @robinalexander and @Stegel. But theirs are Type 95 coppers. After Stegel pointed out the offset machi: I realized we are likely seeing a private purchase NCO blade, by an officer, during the severe sword shortage of the transition from the kyugunto to the Type 94. The WWI styled sword knot fits the timeframe as well. The 3 blades were probably made by the same shop (Suya Shoten?) or arsenal team, hence the numbering. The rest of the blade fits a 95 blade with bohi and tempering, but no real hamon. At first, I thought we were seeing a zoheito, but with the offset machi, I'm convinced it's from the Type 95 team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANGBANGSAN Posted January 5, 2023 Report Share Posted January 5, 2023 10 hours ago, Bruce Pennington said: We'll need @SteveM @Kiipu or @BANGBANGSAN for the surrender tag. It looks like 松本隊 連/運 緣x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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