Thematic Tsuba

[vajo]

Hi all.

 

I've got a Phone today to buy now 7 of these Tsuba extern of a collection.offer.

6 Iron Tsuba and one copper. Thematic is battling samurai, deamons, devil und dragon. Condition looks like very rusty because they lay a long time in a cellar.

 

What you think about it. For me they look very loveley und if it is cast iron i would buy them regardless because that samurai looks like i feel on work. 

 

Greetings 

Chris

 

[Kurikata]

Hi Chris,

 

as usual it is question of taste and price. If they are cheep and you like them, buy them.....

 

But from my perspective this Soten like Tsuba on you picture is in very poor condition.

 

Feel free to compare with much better exemples (https://www.lempertz.com/en/catalogues/lot/1034-1/794-an-iron-tsuba-soten-school-18th19th-century.html).

 

Personnaly I would keep my money.....

 

Cheers

[vajo]

 

Feel free to compare with much better exemples (https://www.lempertz.com/en/catalogues/lot/1034-1/794-an-iron-tsuba-soten-school-18th19th-century.html).

 

Personnaly I would keep my money.....

 

Cheers

 

Hi,

 

i think mine looks much better. Look at the faces and the sharpnes of the work. But this is taste of course. 

[vajo]

Here is another.

 

I think this is a Akamataa theme.

 

[Kurikata]

Chris

 

This second one looks much better and after some gentle cleaning would look great.

 

I hope you'll have the opportunity to buy it.

[Rivkin]

Not being a specialist, I would say it boils down to price, as these are not once in a lifetime pieces, and whether you like it. The quality is average/above average, late interpretations on the basis of Soten and Goto styles respectively. I don't think the first ones are Soten school per se. The one with the "naval" topic does look more like Kyoto-Soten, but on the lower quality side of this, often quite good, school;

[vajo]

Lion & dog theme

 

[Rivkin]

Very late Edo, very low quality...Do they try to be Somin this time?

[vajo]

Rivkin they looks great

 

Btw: whats your real name?

[Rivkin]

This one might not look as great, but I'll post it...

 

[Toryu2020]

Chris

They do unfortunately look caste or of very poor quality the gold highlights look more like gold paint applied by some European. You clearly like them and if that 20 is twenty euros then why not?

-t

[vajo]

Thomas,

 

These are bad photos. You cannot judge and compare them with examples that are refurbished and which were restaged by a professional photographer. But, thank you for post. Youre welcome.

[Guido]

What you think about it.

 

You ask for opinions, and then discard them as worthless.

[vajo]

Guido you are right.

Thank you.

[kissakai]

Re Guido & Chris observations

This is a very fair message board so you can not put items up for comment then rubbish the comments

What I've found in the past if there is the odd incorrect comment other members will correct it

Take it that if the majority make similar statements then it will be accurate

For any request for information you should never put poor images on the NMB

 

 

Grev UK

[dirk marshall]

I like them and would not hesitate to buy them.  I do not think the pictures r bad as well.

[Rivkin]

Well, I am known for straightforward comments, so I can't say the response was unprovoked. And certainly I hope that the price reflects the relative quality and condition issues. They are surely worth some more.

As someone who did spend a lot of time researching non-Japanese items, I would comment that a very substantial caveat of Japanese collecting is that one has identical scene being used for centuries; yet 90% of items on the market are mass made and are of poor quality. Really good ones maybe 0.5% or less. But there are plenty of non-Japanese fields where really good cannot be had for money - most are in museum storage. 

[vajo]

I bought today a hole collection of 20 (for me) very nice Tsuba. 

Not all is depending on money. You can search a hole life for something never find. But you can made a decission. If good or bad? Time will tell.

 

So thank you again for all comments.

[Michael 67]

 

Du bist ne Krawallschatel

 

Schick Fotos wenn Du alles hast.

[vajo]

Michael warum soll ich?

Mir wurde gesagt es sind Hamamono, billige Qualität, vermutlich in Europa angemalt, blankpoliert, verrostet. Eigentlich ziemlicher Müll. Und dann mußte ich auch lernen das Forum hat immer recht. Von daher gibt es kein Interesse. Achja Gimei sind sie sowieso. Jetzt habe ich doch mehr als $20 gezahlt wie mir geraten wurde.

[Brian]

You post crap photos of tsuba in average to poor condition, and then moan when you are told "they are Hamamono, cheap quality, probably painted in Europe, polished, rusted. Actually quite a waste...."

How about you post some decent clear and well lit photos, and then you might get an answer that is more than an educated guess. Put some effort into your question, and people will put some effort into their replies.

Some of these look poor quality. Some look better to good. None are excellent. But they might clean up ok. You admit they are rusty, and then don't like the fact that we aren't in love with them?

They are your tsuba. Enjoy them. But don't expect fantastic reports on tsuba that are fairly typical of the sort.

Oh, en Jy weet maar, Afrikaans is naby aan Duits, ne?

[vajo]

Ok, ok - Peace 

 

  

 

Better  ?

[Brian]

Yes...much better.

I think that first one you just posted, you should consider sending to Ford Hallam to have the patina restored. I think it would look great when professionally restored. #3 is very nice. Great nanako.

Looking much better...

[vajo]

some more...

 

   

[Rivkin]

Some are quite decent above average first half of the XIXth century work...

[vajo]

It would be nice if you can help to identify.

 

  

[Stephen]

Looks like some over cleaning on the first two of the last set, too bad.

[Michael 67]

 

Die Bildet sind viel besser, gut gemacht

[Greg F]

Hi Chris, Some of theses tsuba appeal to me. A few of them would really benefit from a visit to Ford for petina restoration. Threads like this a good to learn difference in tsuba condition and quality. Overall I think its a good little collection. Congratulations and all the best.

 

Greg

[vajo]

Thank you Greg. If have 10 more and will post here today. I would really like to restore the mokko one but take a look on the coming ones. That is a lot of work.