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#1 hbaubele

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 03:14 AM

Hello, I am trying to buy this sword and I would just like to know the value of it, as well as the age of the blade. It has a family crest on the handle and there is three holes in the tang. Any help would be great.

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 03:16 AM

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#3 David Flynn

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 03:16 AM

Can't  tell anything, without photos.


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 03:18 AM

Here are the other pictures. Thanks

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#5 hbaubele

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 03:20 AM

Are the pictures coming up ?

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 04:26 AM

they are now, id guess shinshinto blade


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 09:31 AM

Shinto sounds about right. Good blade with silver family crest and quality mounts. Get the handle professionally rewrapped and you have a very good Shin Gunto.


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 10:08 AM

Good sword. Hold the blade clean (don't touch it) and oil it well. Send the tsuka to some of craftsman that linked in that board for rewrapping as John said.

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 01:35 PM

+1 for Shinto- given the lack of sori, I’d say Kanbun Shinto.

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 02:34 PM

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 04:30 PM

what would a good price for this sword? the buyer i asking $800. and i am wondering if i was to sell it how much i could get for it? and your saying the blade was made in the 1600's?



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Posted 01 March 2018 - 05:21 PM

what would a good price for this sword? the buyer i asking $800. and i am wondering if i was to sell it how much i could get for it? and your saying the blade was made in the 1600's?


You can do a quick scan on fleabay and get a feel for pricing. 800 USD seems to be on the lower end of current officer gunto. I'd say 800-1,200 is the current range. So with a good re-wrap, you should be able to re-sell and make a small proffit, denpending upon how much you had to pay for the re-wrap.

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 06:15 PM

$800 is a bargain. Re-wrap costs you 50 - 80 Dollar in the US.



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Posted 01 March 2018 - 07:55 PM

50_80$...really??? You will devalue the sword fast!!
nothing like a cheap wrap to get a pass on your sale.
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Posted 01 March 2018 - 08:40 PM

Then 110 Dollar Stephen. +- 20 Dollar  :laughing:



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Posted 01 March 2018 - 09:13 PM

Hbaubele,

what is your name please?

The photos are not sufficient to make a clear and reliable assessment. You need to show the blade to an expert, perhaps on a Japanese sword show. The value has not much to do with the age, so a good blade made 1950 may be much higher in price than a lesser blade from 1550. Japanese blades are a difficult subject, and condition, provenience and quality have a great impact on value.

If the blade in question is traditionally made and without fatal flaws, $ 800.-- do not seem expensive.

 

what would a good price for this sword? the buyer i asking $800. and i am wondering if i was to sell it how much i could get for it? and your saying the blade was made in the 1600's?


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 09:24 PM

my name is hunter and thank you for all of the help



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Posted 01 March 2018 - 09:36 PM

Hbaubele,

what is your name please?

The photos are not sufficient to make a clear and reliable assessment. You need to show the blade to an expert, perhaps on a Japanese sword show. The value has not much to do with the age, so a good blade made 1950 may be much higher in price than a lesser blade from 1550. Japanese blades are a difficult subject, and condition, provenience and quality have a great impact on value.

If the blade in question is traditionally made and without fatal flaws, $ 800.-- do not seem expensive.

 

 

Jean i think a blade forged 1950 in Japan has a big value. My knowledge is that it was forbidden to forge swords by the US military government from 1945 - 1953.



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Posted 01 March 2018 - 10:42 PM

Chris,

o.k. so let's say 1953.or GENDAI generally. 


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 11:17 PM

50_80$...really??? You will devalue the sword fast!!
nothing like a cheap wrap to get a pass on your sale.

 

Depends on if that is the price of the Ito, and you do the wrap yourself.... Silk Ito costs about that for a gunto length tsuka.


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Posted 02 March 2018 - 06:30 AM

Dave normal gunto ito is silk?
I thougt it is Japanese cotton.

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 07:03 AM

Who said anything about doing it your self? Huh?
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Posted 02 March 2018 - 08:40 AM

Stephen is right. If you're going to bother, do it properly. Someone trained and with decent quality ito. Otherwise you may as well toss in a polish on a grinder and a respray of the saya with a paint gun.
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Posted 02 March 2018 - 09:33 AM

www.tsukamaki.net is one of the address i would prefer if i lived in the States.

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 09:34 AM

Anything you do yourself will only result in lessening the value of the sword. A professional rewrap using Japanese silk will run a couple hundred dollars and will add value. This is a very nice sword and for the price given your are doing very well.


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Posted 02 March 2018 - 10:08 AM

Cotton not silk ito.
There are only type 94 and some high quality type 98 and army civillian swords wrapped with silk ito. Normal standard was cotton. Or i understand it false?

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 12:13 PM

Cotton is mostly a bad decision. In moist conditions, cotton TSUKA ITO has a tendency to swell up and thus become loose. You don't appreciate that in battle situations. Cotton is cheap and may work for only decorative purposes.


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Posted 02 March 2018 - 02:41 PM

Jean maybe we talk different. We speak about the ito of gunto swords. I don't think that Japan had the ressources to fit every war produced sword with expensive silk ito.

Maybe someone is confound high quality Japanese cotton with silk?

Pure Silk is rare and the product of a caterpiller not a mass product.

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 04:06 PM

Hello,

         Chris, some of the tsuka-ito on shin-gunto are silk.I have attached a picture of a 23rd generation Kanefusa that I recently sold with a silk wrap.The sword is original as is the tsuka-ito.Even though it is intact it is very fragile..maybe that is why there are so many swords around with them missing ? The sword in question is pre 1942 with a showa stamp..All of the gunto I have with a nice and complete hilt wrapping are of cotton. The silk ones I have had in the past have all been very fragile due to  as you correctly mentioned their organic make up.

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 07:10 PM

Hi Paul i wrote that some earlier gunto and such ones with high quality fittings are wrapped with silk. The most not.





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