Barrett Hiebert Posted May 13 Report Posted May 13 Forumites, I really do love the Itomaki Gata, (Vertical Spindle Shape), style tsuba seen here in this diagram, bottom left. Though, as much as I've tried, I've never found any historical tsubas in such a style online. I've only found such a style ever with a circle surrounding the equidistant symmetrically sized spindle shape. Though, does anyone know of any historical examples that they can direct me to of this Itomaki Gata, (Vertical Spindle Shape), tsuba? If I can find an antique example I'd like to purchase it for study and replication. I really love it because it seems very uncommon, rare and the equidistant spindle shape that is symmetrical along its horizontal and vertical axis makes me think of a shorter style of crossguard on either axis. As if this were taking inspiration from traditonal cruciform medieval sword crossguards, though I know entirely such reason for development was not at all occuring. Thank you for your attention in reading my post. Best regards, Barrett Hiebert 2 Quote
Kantaro Posted May 13 Report Posted May 13 Hi Hiebert, Indeed, I only encountered ones with a rim too. Tsuba Japanese antique iron Mumei (Shoami 正阿弥) Itomaki sukashi NBTHK kicho paper | eBay 2 Quote
Spartancrest Posted May 13 Report Posted May 13 This is a modern "Ninja" Shuriken - how are you going to throw it if it is on a sword? And just how much damage will a 5mm point do? Would this shape be considered "Itomaki"? 4 Quote
FlorianB Posted May 16 Report Posted May 16 Can’t believe, that there are much pure itomaki-gata out there, because it is not convenient for practical use. The spikes could entangle with the clothes while wearing or drawing a sword mounted with a Tsuba of this particular form. 1 Quote
Spartancrest Posted May 16 Report Posted May 16 2 hours ago, FlorianB said: The spikes could entangle with the clothes while wearing or drawing a sword mounted with a Tsuba of this particular form. Not only itomaki but many other jagged shapes would be clothes shredders. Most would be because their rims were deliberately removed. [I have images of uncut versions of all of these] 1 Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted May 16 Report Posted May 16 Thread card plate might be a more accurate translation. (?) (A spindle or spool gives the image of something that spins, whereas these itomaki versions are simple flat storage boards for sorting out and storing thread or string.) 2 1 Quote
Michael 101 Posted May 24 Report Posted May 24 This is an example from my collection made by the third Jingo master Nagatsugu but again in the round shape. Interesting as it uses brass inlay for the cord around the bobbin. hope you manage to find the example you are seeking. kind regards Michael 6 1 Quote
Teimei Posted May 24 Report Posted May 24 I used to own one, never really warmed up to the shape. 3 Quote
ROKUJURO Posted May 24 Report Posted May 24 Some time ago we had a thread on ITOMAKI TSUBA here on NMB which I can't find now. 1 Quote
DKR Posted May 25 Report Posted May 25 An ono tsuba. But for design reasons, the inner cross was rotated 90 degrees. Otherwise, it's just the motif of a thread spool. 2 1 Quote
Spartancrest Posted May 26 Report Posted May 26 On 5/25/2025 at 6:55 AM, ROKUJURO said: Some time ago we had a thread on ITOMAKI TSUBA here on NMB which I can't find now. Was it this "THREAD" ? If not I will keep looking. These designs are a different orientation. or this one? Or very much older: 2 Quote
ROKUJURO Posted May 26 Report Posted May 26 Thank you Dale, for your kind efforts! These are all related, but it was still another thread with ITOMAKI TSUBA. Not so old if I remember correctly. 1 1 Quote
Spartancrest Posted May 26 Report Posted May 26 38 minutes ago, Bugyotsuji said: Came across these Mon/Kamon today. The third mon reminded me of a tsuba from "Sword-Guards of Feudal Japan" by Gardner Teall, Jan - 1917 The image is of a mokume iron guard - now I know what it represents, thanks Piers As a footnote in 1897 - Lewis Carroll's "The Hunting of the Snark", was illustrated and decorated by Gardner Teall - a tenuous link to tsuba and Wonderland! 4 Quote
Curran Posted May 26 Report Posted May 26 On 5/24/2025 at 4:03 AM, Michael 101 said: This is an example from my collection made by the third Jingo master Nagatsugu but again in the round shape. Interesting as it uses brass inlay for the cord around the bobbin. hope you manage to find the example you are seeking. kind regards Michael I remember this stunner very well. Incredible inlay. The spindle I owned long ago was ex-Jim Gilbert, passed to Mr. Orr (I question my memory), and on to Bob Haynes. Lovely piece with one of those faux sword strikes across the tsuba in an impossible location. Sort of like those bullet tested "battle aged" armors. 3 Quote
ROKUJURO Posted May 27 Report Posted May 27 Thank you Curran, for showing this beauty! Is that KO-SHOAMI or OWARI or....? Does it have an added FUKURIN/DOTE MIMI or an integrated one? Quote
Curran Posted May 27 Report Posted May 27 5 hours ago, ROKUJURO said: Thank you Curran, for showing this beauty! Is that KO-SHOAMI or OWARI or....? Does it have an added FUKURIN/DOTE MIMI or an integrated one? It was very thin across the plate, yet felt like tank armor. The mimi was a high dote mimi, all one piece. Most of the sword cut (faux) or test cut, was into the mimi and left very little mark on the main body. I believe it was signed Unshu-Ju-Yoshihisa or similar, which doesn't quite match up in Haynes. I think last year I stumbled on something in researching Saotome, Haruta, and Myochin tsuba felt like a much better fit. Never completed my notes on it, and I sometimes wish I had the confidence in my earlier years to keep something that didn't quite line up peg for peg as my western books taught then. 2 1 Quote
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