Help Identity Our Mon.

[JakeNYC]

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57 minutes ago, SteveM said:

 

五瓜に根笹

Goka ni nezasa  (bamboo with roots inside five-lobed gourd shape)

 

https://www.kamon18.com/cart/shop/07111.html

 

 

Looks like an excellent piece, even if it is a bit distressed..

 

Thanks Steve! Damn, you're good at that. Will be bringing to the SF show. 

[Lareon]

On 7/25/2025 at 4:33 AM, Rawa said:

Could you post more photos of mountings? Looks like cast made for crest.

 

 

 

 

is the thread about this sword

 

[Rawa]

Thx fatty tsuba is beauty here.

[EdWolf]

Any ideas on this one? Thanks in advance. 

Regards, Ed

 

[SteveM]

Bellflower in circle

丸に桔梗

 

https://irohakamon.com/kamon/kikyou/marunikikyou.html

[EdWolf]

Thank you, Steve!

[Scogg]

Any info on this particular 4 diamond, or maybe “4 eyes” mon?

 

Similar to Takeda clan, but the extra segmented circles has me lost 

[Bugyotsuji]

That’s a Takeda-bishi inside a Mokko surround, Sam.

 

木瓜に武田菱

 

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&sca_esv=68354a3c7c70afc3&hl=en-gb&udm=2&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZ1Y6MJ25_tmWITc7uy4KIeiAkWG4OlBE2zyCTMjPbGmMU8EWskMk2JSE__efdUJ3xCy-TJvLh102VajJHlWcuOMzuudcRq6McxYvTDw4xql9ltBOHIJaSaTfN7wuQcwsNEykFXCmH-aW_zRjpKtpTVfBkZf-L9m_IJvYLcwjwgMx7BTMU9NqkzLP44Nj6uc5ciPTJCQ&q=木瓜に武田菱+家紋&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiSm5H6lqmPAxXGUEEAHUTPHeAQtKgLegQIDhAB&biw=390&bih=663&dpr=3

[Mark C]

Just adding my only Mon.

 

Can't find my Mon book at the moment so can't say what it is so if anyone has a spare 10 minutes to look it up for me, It would be greatly appreciated.

It is on my Hyugu Daijo Sadatsugu

 

 

 

All the best

 

 

[Bugyotsuji]

Mark, have you tried the 蔦 Tsuta ivy Kamon?

 

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&sca_esv=e63747d83a281166&hl=en-gb&udm=2&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZ1Y6MJ25_tmWITc7uy4KIeioyp3OhN11EY0n5qfq-zENyQuF3_WaPI4Qgb6AZzy-etFjo9fqZ_m1LmwOk0Tw7NqzRByaVxBM1fsvEyMalinYBnZSbPsMGKnfuTgCN-kMPLGu-9S4H_wozMCmxOUp_MU4XAZj8Ws9KVbcwnvg86KE93TYmL1kpnleGzufE81r9xCWvfA&q=蔦家紋&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjSm8fztKmPAxXbQUEAHQgcG7YQtKgLegQIGxAB&biw=390&bih=663&dpr=3#sv=CAMS-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-AzABSgoIAhACGAIgAigC

[Mark C]

Thank you Piers, Much appreciated.

[Volker62]

hello guys

 

is this Mon a Ka Mon of the Date clan?

 

Many thanks for your afforts!

 

[Bruce Pennington]

While waiting for the experts, that is what I was told about a similar mon on a blade:

[Bugyotsuji]

Multifaceted question there. Remember that the nine-star mon (Kuyōmon 九曜紋), or nine heavenly bodies mon was used by several families throughout Japan, in various configurations, with or without the Maru, solid or sukashi, large stars or small stars, etc.

 

The most famous users of this mon were probably the Hosokawa of Kyūshū and the Daté of Sendai.

 

*To answer your question Volker, I would say no, as the Date preferred a different one as their Omote Mon.

 

 

[Volker62]

you'r right Piers

 

but I found this, please have a look

[Volker62]

thank you Bruce!

[Bugyotsuji]

You mean the Date of Uwajima in Shikoku? (kuyomon in a circle)丸に九曜紋

 

Agreed, but they too used the Kuyomon only as their third mon, their ura Mon. In the prominent place on your sword it would surely be a primary Omote mon.

But those generic metal mon discs are sold everywhere, so I would not be sure of anything… 

[Bruce Pennington]

When it comes to kamon on swords, I like to look back at the origin. Certainly there were dozens of families that adopted the symbols of the original samurai, so we can never know who carried it in World War II. So for me, it’s fun to see who the original family was that the WWII carrier adopted.

[uwe]

On 8/26/2025 at 8:30 PM, Scogg said:

Any info on this particular 4 diamond, or maybe “4 eyes” mon?

 

Similar to Takeda clan, but the extra segmented circles has me lost 

 

Hi Sam,

 

I think we can interpret this as the one below. If so, then there might be a connection to Hirooka family...

 

 

[Volker62]

Hello Guys

 

many thanks for your efforts!!

 

some month ago I found this valuable old (dated 1928) highest quality book here in Germany on a flea market

 

"commemorative book" exhibition was held for the relics of the  Daimyos of the notheast district"

 

learning from the past

 

Count Date Okimune

 

The picture on the left inside this book, shows the Ka Mon which we talk about here, perhaps someone can translate the writings around the picture.

 

 

Perhaps it explains the further meaning to the Date clan here??

 

 

Thank you in advance!

[Volker62]

[uwe]

The inscription on the flag above the Mon reads “八幡大菩薩” (Hachiman Dai Bosatsu)…

 

The caption on the right refers to a certain 相馬師常 (Souma Shitsune) who “obviously” received this flag from 源 頼朝 (Minamoto no Yoritomo)….if I got it right?!

[Volker62]

thank's alot Uwe

 

on the swords nakago is also the inscription

 

Hachiman Dai Bosatsu

 

 

However I'm not sure yet, whether this Mon actually belongs to the Date clan line?

 

The sword and its Koshirae is completely untouched, original

[Scogg]

Thank you so much @uwe, that looks like the one!

 

Much appreciated,

-Sam 

[Volker62]

finally it is confirmed that this Ka Mon actually belongs to the Date clan from the Provice  of Iyo since 1688 Jh

 

Daimyo of  Uwadashima

[Volker62]

Thank's to all for your affort's!!!

[Bugyotsuji]

宇和島 is spelled Uwajima today in English, but it does sound like 'Uwadjima'.

 

This branch of the Date clan was started by Date Masamune's eldest son, Hidemune.

Because he was born by a consort, and not by Masamune's proper designated wife, he could not inherit Sendai, so he was sent to be first Lord of Uwajima in Shikoku. He had been brought up in the way of the Samurai, learning both literature and martial arts, 文武両道 Bunbu Ryodo.

[Volker62]

many many thank's Piers