deadreconing11 Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 [Identification challenge] Based off what knowledge you know, what can you infer about this Gendai Katana off of intuition. [Mei, Nakago, and kissaki will be revealed throughout this week one by one] Quote
vajo Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 Based off what knowledge you know, what can you infer about this Car off of intuition. [grill, trunk, and mirrors will be revealed throughout this week one by one] 3 7 Quote
robinalexander Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 It has another 3 x wheels and tyres exactly the same as above. 1 2 Quote
robinalexander Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 It's not 4 x 4 although could be AWD. The tyres are radials and by the look of the tread would be good at displacing water. Maybe even snow slush but don't get much of that in OZ....soooo Northern European made and conditions? 2 Quote
deadreconing11 Posted April 20, 2023 Author Report Posted April 20, 2023 Hmm looks like a tire alright! if I’m not mistaken. This particular car has seen many grocery trips! But on a side note, this was meant to be a little less serious post haha. Just thought trying to identify a sword by starting with minimal info as more of it is revealed through the week would be neat activity. I know it’s a bit strange, but It looks ridiculous because it’s meant to be 1 Quote
deadreconing11 Posted April 20, 2023 Author Report Posted April 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Brian said: Shall I move this to the Izakaya? yes! Sorry about that, wrong thread. Still new to forum Quote
Rivkin Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 "someone wanted to make something Bizen" + "Bizen blade not photographed as Bizen should be". You can identify a first class Kamakura blade based on a single photograph. If only because their utsuri tend to be quite unlike that in later years. Gendaito - tough chance. Its too flat. 1 Quote
deadreconing11 Posted April 20, 2023 Author Report Posted April 20, 2023 40 minutes ago, Rivkin said: "someone wanted to make something Bizen" + "Bizen blade not photographed as Bizen should be". You can identify a first class Kamakura blade based on a single photograph. If only because their utsuri tend to be quite unlike that in later years. Gendaito - tough chance. Its too flat. Nice observation! What made you come to this conclusion? Quote
deadreconing11 Posted April 20, 2023 Author Report Posted April 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Rivkin said: "someone wanted to make something Bizen" + "Bizen blade not photographed as Bizen should be". You can identify a first class Kamakura blade based on a single photograph. If only because their utsuri tend to be quite unlike that in later years. Gendaito - tough chance. Its too flat. Possibly showato perhaps? Quote
rematron Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 7 hours ago, robinalexander said: It has another 3 x wheels and tyres exactly the same as above. Hey, how could you possibly know that? It could be a three-wheel vehicle... (had to add some bickering for forum realism) 1 Quote
Guest Simon R Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 It's gimei. (Just thought I'd get in first.) Quote
Infinite_Wisdumb Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 39 minutes ago, SRDRowson said: It's gimei. (Just thought I'd get in first.) winning post of the day LOL 1 1 Quote
deadreconing11 Posted April 20, 2023 Author Report Posted April 20, 2023 Nice catch guys! here’s the reveal. So, a little background. I got this sword for a relatively cheap price from komonjo (don’t do this unless you %100 know what you’re buying) for study of how far modern reproductions have come and assumed it was gimei. So I had some pretty low expectations. Judging from how it looks, seemed consistent with some of the stuff komonjo sells. But seeing how I originally got this for study and reference, I’m not all that worried about the value for the blade itself. Feel free to take a look, I may be a little off. Now this is no knock on komonjo, every once in a while he has some good stuff. Plenty of research is expected for how cheap his stuff is priced, regardless of authenticity. Mei says Ikeda Norihisa Saku(池田則久作) , now the hamon isn’t consistent with Ikeda Norihisa’s choji but I may be wrong, and after looking at the kissaki and nakago, I suspect gimei. Second opinions are welcome! Quote
Brian Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 It's modern made, of unknown origin and signed with whatever name the dart hits on the dartboard. But at least you are aware of the risk. Will be a decent thing to investigate and display. 1 Quote
Matsunoki Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 The bag is Chinese, the saya looks Chinese, the cord looks Chinese……so why not the blade? I think you can buy that exact bag on Amazon https://www.amazon.co.uk/NINGWANG-Dragon-Phoenix-Katana-Samurai/dp/B09PTN7RVS/ref=sr_1_6?crid=1JNOO9UPUC6SB&keywords=Katana+bag&qid=1682010729&sprefix=katana+bag%2Caps%2C90&sr=8-6 1 1 1 Quote
BjornLundin Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 Chinese, the tang really lets me down. But for a good price why not. 1 Quote
SteveM Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 23 minutes ago, deadreconing11 said: Norihisa Saku(池田則久作) 池田法久作 Different kanji for "nori" on your sword. Unfortunately the mei looks nothing like the genuine Ikeda Norihisa's mei (see link below) https://www.e-sword.jp/katana/1910-1092.htm 1 Quote
deadreconing11 Posted April 20, 2023 Author Report Posted April 20, 2023 Nice job everyone on spotting this repro! Just a reminder and PSA to fully research what you’re getting into. I was certain beyond a reasonable doubt this was a gimei repro before acquiring, and took a controlled risk in buying for gained knowledge. Seeing how it isn’t worth very much monetary value, it’ll probably stay in my collection for future personal reference. I hope this has been educational and helpful, and serves as a reminder to be safe and research what you buy. stay safe everyone! Quote
Matsunoki Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, SteveM said: Different kanji for "nori" on your sword. Steve, that’s very interesting because it probably shows whoever cut the Mei deliberately changed one Kanji to avoid any accusations of forgery, fakery etc…..they knew exactly what they were doing. 1 Quote
deadreconing11 Posted April 20, 2023 Author Report Posted April 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, Matsunoki said: Steve, that’s very interesting because it probably shows whoever cut the Mei deliberately changed one Kanji to avoid any accusations of forgery, fakery etc…..they knew exactly what they were doing. That’s another great point! Now the real question is, where exactly does komonjo consistently source all of these forgeries from? Quote
Infinite_Wisdumb Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 i love this site. we have so many different kinds of characters here 1 Quote
SteveM Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, Matsunoki said: it probably shows whoever cut the Mei deliberately changed one Kanji No, what I mean is that there is a real swordsmith named Ikeda Norihisa (池田法久), which is the same exact name that is inscribed on this sword. So it does indeed look like a forgery of a gendaitō smith. What I was pointing out was - I suspect - a typo in Jaykob's post (Jaykob's 則久 should be 法久 because that is what is on his sword). 2 1 Quote
deadreconing11 Posted April 20, 2023 Author Report Posted April 20, 2023 1 minute ago, SteveM said: No, what I mean is that there is a real swordsmith named Ikeda Norihisa (池田法久), which is the same exact name that is inscribed on this sword. So it does indeed look like a forgery of a gendaitō smith. What I was pointing out was - I suspect - a typo in Jaykob's post (Jaykob's 則久 should be 法久 because that is what is on his sword). I completely overlooked that, apologies for the typo, thank you for correcting me Quote
Shuko Posted April 21, 2023 Report Posted April 21, 2023 Out of curiosity what huge price did you pay for this rare blade ? Quote
Shugyosha Posted April 21, 2023 Report Posted April 21, 2023 18 hours ago, SRDRowson said: It's gimei. (Just thought I'd get in first.) You are JacquesD and I claim my $5! 4 Quote
DoTanuki yokai Posted April 21, 2023 Report Posted April 21, 2023 Is it nioideki ? Can you make a picture of the nioiguchi pls. I’m still interested in knowing this. Quote
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