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On 4/6/2021 at 7:53 AM, Bruce Pennington said:

2. Kanemitsu, 1944, no star, no stamps, "1" on fittings ..... But 24 on nakago

 

Slough on page 49 illustrates a star-stamped Kanemitsu with the same style of sideways placement of the number.  In this case, the number is 118.

Obverse: ☆ 竹内兼光 118 = ☆ Takeuchi Kanemitsu 118.

Reverse: 昭和十九年三月 = March 1944.

Nakago mune:  Unreported.

Tang holes: 2.

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On 8/3/2021 at 4:52 PM, Kiipu said:

I thought I would elaborate a little more on this prefecture numbering system.

 

Below are the last two observed prefixes.

 

関東 Kantō Area

ク KU = Gunma Prefecture 群馬縣. The katakana character グ GU is based upon the katakana character ク KU.  In this case, the KU was substituted for GU.

 

中部 Chūbu Area

タ TA = Niigata 新潟県.

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On 8/10/2021 at 8:19 PM, BANGBANGSAN said:

Found one more smith with Tokyo First (東京第一陸軍造兵廠)

正武  Masatake, 昭和十九年六月 (1944 June) #644,Type 98, no star.

 

I found some additional pictures of this sword and they can be seen at the link below.

九八式軍刀拵入.東京第一陸軍造兵廠.正武.昭和十九年六月吉日.644.

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15 minutes ago, Bruce Pennington said:

I do think I see the star you're seeing Thomas.

 

I had to use Microsoft Edge browser to view the webpage and it took awhile to load.  Upon downloading the pictures, there is no star stamp.

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On 8/11/2021 at 1:38 PM, BANGBANGSAN said:

Thank you much for that info, it's just what I was looking for.

 

This is what I have so far.  Anyone have any ideas about the unknowns?

東一造 忠彰 ?

東一造 道義 ?

井口昭貞 Iguchi Akisada.

東一造 忠和 Tadakazu.

東一造 國隆 Kunitaka.

東一造 勝信 Katsunobu

東一造 尚武 Naotake.

東一造 行範 ?

東一造 正武 Masatake

東一造 守國 Morikuni.

東一造 國紹 ?

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1 hour ago, Bruce Pennington said:

I have blades with this mei listed as "Nobutaka" and as "Nobutake"  -- is this the same?

 

Thomas, I don't see 東一造宣威 Nobutak(a)(e) on that list.

@Bruce Pennington

宣威 (Nobutake) is the name 吉原國家 ( Yoshihara Kuniie)use when he worked in Tokyo first.He also use 昭廣(Akihiro).

On Ohmura's :各工廠 (造兵廠) 鍛練所で専属嘱託刀匠に依り作刀された鍛錬刀 (茎に刀匠銘と造兵廠標章刻印)
  東京砲兵工廠: 横山祐包・森岡政吉、東京第一陸軍造兵廠: 吉原宣威 (昭廣・國家同人)、大阪工廠(造兵廠): 月山貞勝・貞一
  (二代) ・貞重・正清、小倉工廠(造兵廠):  白龍子忠孝・平貞重・兼延、 旧兵器廠 善平 他

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  • 3 weeks later...

Thanks to a tip from @Stephen, got another Matsu stamped blade.  It's made by Kiyokuni (RJT), dated Feb 1943, stamped Matsu 16.  Kiyokuni worked in Nagano, so the 2nd blade, now, from nagano:

Matsu

 

1941, July

Niigata

Munetoshi (RJT)

106  (RS ana)

Trotter Survey

1941, Sep

Niigata

Akihisa (RJT)

249  Type 98

Trotter Survey

1941, Sep

Niigata

Munetoshi (RJT)

308  Type 98

Trotter Collection

1941, Dec

Niigata

Akihisa (RJT)

566  RS Model

Windy NMB

?

Niigata

Akihisa (RJT)

61 RS

Trotter Survey

?

Niigata

Akihisa (RJT)

97

NMB

1942, Feb

Niigata

Akihisa (RJT)

542 RS star

Trotter Survey

1942, Apr

Niigata

Munetoshi

11 RS

Trotter Survey

1942, Nov

Niigata

Munetoshi

422 ? star

Trotter Survey

1942, Nov

Niigata

Munetoshi

433 RS star

Trotter Survey

1942, Oct

Niigata

Munetoshi

451 RS

Davidequis NMB

1942, Dec

Niigata

Akihisa (RJT)

577 RS star

MacTheWhopperNMB

1943, Jan

Niigata

Munetoshi

508 Type 98 star

Trotter Survey

1943, Feb

Nagano

Kiyokuni (RJT)

16

Ray Singer, NMB

1943, Feb

Nagano

Chikafusa (RJT)

20

Bangbangsan,NMB

1943, Mar

Niigata

Akihisa

618 RS star

Schmucker Collection

1943, Mar

Niigata

Akihisa

819 RS star

Vajo, Trotter Survey

1943, May

Niigata

Munetoshi (RJT)

1080 RS star

Trotter Collection,

403 on fittings

1943, May

Niigata

Munetoshi (RJT)

1082 RS star

baldi1942 NMB

1943, Oct

Niigata

Akihisa (RJT)

1377 RS star

Trotter Survey

1943, Nov

Niigata

Munetoshi (RJT)

443 RS star

? NMB

1944, Feb

Tsugaru/Aomori

Kunishiro (RJT)

154, star

Trotter Survey

1944, Mar

Niigata

Munetoshi (RJT)

2353 Type 98 star

Trotter Survey

1942-1945 (ND)

Niigata

Masakazu (RJT)

37 RS star

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On 6/26/2021 at 9:02 PM, Bruce Pennington said:

Well @george trotter, PaulB just added a "ア" number, Kanyyoshi, Akita prefecture, ア837, on THIS THREAD.

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ooohhh so swords with numbers at the bottom of the tang are legit.

Thanks for all the hard work you're putting into this research and sharing Bruce.

It's very much appreciated.

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12 hours ago, Steven Edmund said:

vast ,different and how many WW2 blades

It is estimated that over 300 smiths in Seki alone, so maybe 450+ smiths in the country were working during the war, and over 2 million swords were made.  Lots of room for variation in that!  To the point of variations from mil specs, as much as some hardliners would like to say it couldn't happen, we've seen enough proof that private shops and individual soldiers both tended to stray in their efforts for a personal touch.  Same for the smiths.

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On 8/6/2021 at 11:39 AM, Kiipu said:

Do you a have a picture showing the entire reverse side of the nakago?  Also, are there any markings on the nakago mune?

Update on Leo's Akimitsu with different numbers painted on the nakago than the stamped numbers.  The fittings are stamped "51" matching the painted numbers.  The first "6" was erased, leaving "51".  So I quite convinced the stamped numbers are NOT fittings shop numbers, but rather Army numbers, probably something to do with the RJT program.

 

Thomas, we didin't discuss the mune. I will ask about that and follow up on it.

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  • 1 month later...

Came across another Gunma blade.  A Sep 1943, star-stamped Kanetsugu - 162 Star. In RS fittings.

Found HERE on Wehrmacht-Awards.

1943, Sep

Gunma

Kanetsugu (RJT)

162 Star

Jumper, W-A RS

1944, Jan

Gunma

Kanetsugu (RJT)

306

Edward Mahle, NMB

1945, Feb

Gunma

Kanetsugu (RJT)

938

Antiqueimperialarts

1944, Jul

Gunma

Tsugunobu (RJT)

70-5 Star

OhmuraBook pg 167 RS

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