Military sword bag

[Ray Singer]

A friend just wrote in with the attached bag asking for assistance with a translation. A bit beyond me, if anyone could assist it would be greatly appreciated.

 

Best regards,

Ray

[uwe]

To give it a start:

 

”見習士官刀....” (Minarai Shikan Tou .....)

 

Sorry I have to leave.....

[vajo]

George Trotter is searching such a piece.

[lonely panet]

Very nice, I have only seen silk

[Nobody]

Though I am still unsure about some part.

見習士官刀▢眞鐵嚢

 

見習士官 – probationary officer

刀▢ - same as 刀室 ?, then it means scabbard

眞鐵 – steel/iron

嚢 - sac

[Ray Singer]

Thanks very much everyone. Greatly appreciate the replies above.

[Kiipu]

Though I am still unsure about some part.

見習士官刀▢眞鐵嚢

 

In regards to the sixth character that looks like [革室], the Imperial Japanese Army used this character for scabbard instead of 鞘 (さや).  I am unable to locate this character in my references so any additional information about this character is welcomed.

 

Short Development History of Type 95 Gunto

http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/f216/short-development-history-type-95-gunto-676112-post2035731/#post2035731

 

Nick Komiya, 2020-01-13, 03:46 AM

Regarding the Saya, the absent official Type 95 drawings apparently refer to the Saya, using kanji not used today for Saya. They used the kanji 革室. Further drawing update notices also stick to that terminology, so whatever the reason, that was the officially used character.

 

[Kiipu]

In regards to the sixth character that looks like [革室], the Imperial Japanese Army used this character for scabbard instead of 鞘 (さや).  I am unable to locate this character in my references so any additional information about this character is welcomed.

 

????

I finally found the suspect character ???? in a 1903 dictionary entitled 漢和大字典  and the pronunciation given is shitsu.  From there, I was able to locate the meaning in a military dictionary.

 

Shitsu, n. ???? a sheath.

Source: Creswell, H. T., J. Hiraoka 平岡閏造, and R. Namba. A Dictionary of Military Terms: English-Japanese, Japanese-English. American ed. Chicago, Ill.: University of Chicago Press, 1942. Page 1060.

[george trotter]

George Trotter is searching such a piece.

Hi Chris, thanks for that mention, but no, not a canvas sword bag, I am looking for a canvas scabbard cover  to put on my Rinji mounted RJT blade...see pics.

Regards,

[Ray Singer]

Thank you Thomas for that update above.

 

Best regards,

Ray

[SteveM]

I would also like to thank Thomas (and a big tip of the hat to Nick Komiya). This kanji remained stubbornly hidden from me no matter what I put into the search engine.

Finding that old dictionary entry is like blowing the dust away from a hieroglyphic so that it is finally revealed. 

 

I tried to reproduce it again here so that the various bots and spiders can index it and reference this page should any future translators search for this kanji, but it wouldn't display correctly. I wonder why Thomas was able to post it. Something to do with unicode or truetype or jis... Anyway, I'll post as an image and a link. 

 

 

 

 

https://glyphwiki.org/wiki/u292e1

 

https://jigen.net/kanji/168673

[Kiipu]

I tried to reproduce it again here so that the various bots and spiders can index it and reference this page should any future translators search for this kanji, but it wouldn't display correctly. I wonder why Thomas was able to post it. Something to do with unicode or truetype or jis... Anyway, I'll post as an image and a link.

 

So that other translators can duplicate my results, I will briefly explain how I posted the character.  I opened a blank MS Word document and selected a Chinese font, in this particular case MingLiU-ExtB, but any traditional Chinese font should work just as well.  I then used the Insert-Symbols and scrolled down to radical 177 革 and selected the character ????.  Once inserted in the document, just copy and paste into your NMB post.

 

On a related note, check out Nick's latest exposé on this subject.

"Short Development History of Type 95 Gunto"

http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/f216/short-development-history-type-95-gunto-676112-post2045102/#post2045102

[Kiipu]

And another update.  While glancing through a 1928 Japanese Army manual, I ran across the character ???? again and the furigana stated the pronunciation was サヤ [saya].