Nbthk Hozon Emura

[lonely panet]

Hi guys, I hope we are well? considering the last week.

 

well this is the first papered Emura gendai iv seen, they must be either regarding his work better or maybe just catering to the western market. but its really interesting is the way MURA is done.

 

also the work is abit different, done in suguha base with some midare mixed in.

 

can we disuss this blade, and Tsuruta's San's comparison to some Yasukuni smiths. Iv had both and each have there nicer points.

 

http://www.aoijapan.com/katanagunto-emura-saku

 

if this against the rules, sorry

 

regards H

[Stephen]

I was told the Emura i had polished way back in the day papered as well. I never seen them so i cant say 100%, nothing like this at all. 

The fact that Tachi koshira are included, be my guess it was a spl order. 

 

a lot for the money there.

 

 

check b on this page

 

http://www.japaneseswordindex.com/emura.htm

Edited April 17, 2016 by Stephen

[seattle1]

Hello:

 IMHO to compare and rank this blade as on the same level or superior to the  top blades from the Yasukuni Jinja, or the Minatogawa Jinga for that matter, is beyond the preposterous. Times change and to paper gendaito and blades close to 1946 may reflect market changes related to price changes derived from increasing scarcity of top gendai, and thus it is partially a reflection of the market, however Yasukuni blade are loaded with a history, a cultural weight and a tradition of superb koto models that puts them light years beyond the dubious origin of Emura blades of any sort. At the very least such blades are the collective output of a mostly unknown group of smiths who would hardly be in the same ballpark as those who worked at the Yasukuni Jinja.

 Arnold F.

[SwordGuyJoe]

Here is a Tanto inscribed year of the snake by a Miyaguchi Toshihiro/Yasuhiro as comparison.

 

When I saw this and the comparison, I thought mainly unrestrained salesmanship.

 

[lonely panet]

well clearly there is a market for this type of product,

 

personally im of the opinion that yasukuni are the finer, and Arnold has highlighted all key points well.

 

just thought that a open discussion  would be helpful to the new people to the forum, and those who aren't lucky enough to handle good gendaito

[SwordGuyJoe]

I certainly agree. A lot of people really enjoy Emura blades and to stephen's point, with the Tachi koshirae there is a lot there for the money.

 

Edit to add: That said, at 450,000, you can get a far better blade, though it won't have the koshirae.

[brannow]

I have one with a hozon paper by the NBTHK.

[Greg F]

Hi guys, I think Stephens correct that it may be special order. The extra koshirae definitely sweetens the deal. Interesting topic. Cheers.

 

Greg

[Brian]

Well, if we take it for granted that Emura are Gendaito, and not Showato (and that does seem accepted) then I don't see any reason that they shouldn't paper. I know Emura either gets no love, or too much, but many of their/his blades are better than many Kazu uchimono that only have age going for them.
Like many makers, there are varying qualities and I have seen some nice (but not fantastic) Emura blades, and I think they are on par with the average RJT Gendaito. Which also paper. So there shouldn't be surprises when they do get papers.

[paulb]

. As Brian suggests, if one accepts these are hand made and using traditinal material, provided they are of acceptable quality there is no reason for them not to paper. I think there is a wealth of evidence saying that at least some Emura blades were traditionally made.

I always feel a bit out of my depth talking about modern swords but one thing I dont understand is Tsuruta-sans comment about Emura being better than Nagamitsu. I havent seen many of either but of those I have seen the Nagamitsu always seemed to have a lot more going for them in terms of both hada and hamon activity. what are other peoples experience?

[Stephen]

All depends on who was doing it for whom. Ive seen both high and low grade of all names above, if my damn pics werent on floppy disk id show you a Emura that just showing the hada you'd place in kamakura. I don't think the really good ones get the respect from folk like Arnie because they pass them by on tables and look for koto.

[lonely panet]

Who? Or why would peaple say there showato? Can emura be judged simular to yoshchika with the use of western steel

[Rich S]

It's no surprise that I'm a fan of both Emura and Nagamitsu. However, I've not seen any evidence that Nagamitsu worked at the Okayama Prison except the assertion on Aoi Art website. I would love the find some history on Emura's lineage, but none has been forthcoming.

I doubt he was self taught given to fine blades he produced at his shop (and/or his apprentices produced). Not at all surprising that both Emura and Nagamitsu have been papered (as has been long known). Anyone have any info on Emura's lineage/teachers, etc.?

Rich

[David Flynn]

Both Nagamitsu and Emura recieve papers from all the Societies.   Some are definately better than others.  As with all swords, each should be judged on their own merit.