Jingo Tsuba

[Grey Doffin]

Hi guys,

This auction ended last night.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/D259-REAL-old-J ... true&rt=nc

 

I wasn't a bidder but I wonder: Did someone pick up a real Jingo tsuba or pay too much for a copy?

Pictures below of a tsuba by Jingo the 5th from Ito's book, Works of Hirata and Shimizu.

 

Cheers, Grey

[John A Stuart]

Copy. John

[Michael 101]

Agreed The eBay tsuba was very much a copy - and falls far short of main school Jingo work in every way. Probably made by a tsuboi worker, a school which specialised in copying higo works for sale to samurai with not so deep pockets !

 

Kind regards

 

Michael

[Pete Klein]

This, unfortunately, is an excellent example of where the purchase price could have just about bought the three book Ito set on Higo kodogu instead of wasting it on something worth a fraction of the purchase price.

[Soshin]

Hi Grey D.,

 

The eBay tsuba has a really bad iron surface and the patina poorly done with no glossiness. Not what you would expect in a Jingo Higo tsuba.

 

 

 

Yours truly,

David Stiles

[Curran]

Ouch.

[hxv]

The winner of the auction is a newcomer with a deep pocket. He has been outbidding everyone on lots of tsuba that are nothing special, some with obvious forging flaws indicated in pictures as well as in the description To each his own, I guess.

 

Hoanh

[Brian]

Here are the eBay tsuba pics for future (educational) interest.

 

Brian

[cabowen]

Wow, that looks awful.....

[Justin]

He wasn't the only sucker, there were 23 bids on this tsuba.

[Surfson]

Hoanh, how can you tell the identity of the winning bidder or at least attribute to the winner of other auctions? It is listed as f****f. Are these pseudonyms consistent? Cheers, Bob

[hxv]

Bob,

 

The only thing one can do is look at the scrambled moniker and correlate it with the number of feedback the person has. If one gets a consistency between both the scrambled moniker *AND* the number of feedback, then it's most likely the same person. On top of that, if the person bids for the same type of item, say tsuba in this case, then it's another check sum test.

 

Regards,

Hoanh

[Surfson]

Thanks Hoanh. I didn't realize that they use the same moniker each time, which suggests that it isn't scrambled each time. Cheers, Bob

[jlawson]

Ouch.

Someone using their wallet for a flashlight instead of reading and looking for the light. Even expensive books are cheap in comparison. Wonder when this piece will surface at a show claiming to be Jingo? Everyone pays for their education in this hobby, one way or another......

[RobertM]

Am I missing something or is this the same?

 

http://nihonto.us/JINGO%20SANDAI.htm

[Pete Klein]

Sure -- big surprise! LOL

[Ed]

Ouch! So, is crow pie on today's menu ?

[Marius]

The fact that it is on Andy's site does not necessarily confirm it is genuine.

 

Caveat emptor

 

Since it is listed now, we should refrain from comments, I guess.

[Pete Klein]

No paper and just because someone scratched something on the ura a Jingo it does not make. Aside from this, Robert Haynes has been very forward about the Higo Kinko Taikan having modern pieces in it which were placed 'for sale'. Whether his assertion is true or not I do not know but put together I would expect validation in the form of Hozon paper before I plunked down $4000.

 

My two cents and worth whatever two cents is in this day and age.

[Ed]

The fact that it is on Andy's site does not necessarily confirm it is genuine.

 

I agree, but alas simply because a few NMB members seem to disapprove of it doesn't confirm that it is not.

[Marius]

I agree, but alas simply because a few NMB members seem to disapprove of it doesn't confirm that it is not.

 

Probably the fourteenth Jingo

[Brian]

Ed,

Very true. But one would think that a top work like that would have papers by now.

Also, if you look at some of the finishing off, and places like the inside top of the bag...you can see someone attempted something and didn't success.

Again, no proof it isn't. But less proof it is

 

Brian