Bruce Pennington

Ha! Please refer to 11th commandment!

Agree not Japanese, but could be from the war era, occupied lands made. Doesn't appear to be the standard fake.

Ha! Hey guys, what happened to "life of the blade" talk!? Always sad to see one of these beautiful weapons abused by too much time in a swamp or the hands of Bubba; but I still see something that was once fabulous. Life has treated her harshly, but she was a beauty once.

How do you join the YouTube group? When I. Lick your link I get this:

Jean, because, unless the gendaito is of a famous smith, they are both selling for similar prices on the market these days. But, if Hardy's blade is a family heirloom, then that won't matter to him. Hardy, I got my first gunto after my dad passed away, a mantetsu. It was missing parts and the blade looked like it had seen quite a bit. I took my time and fully replaced the missing parts and then paid to have it fully polished. It was worth every penny. It doesn' matter to me if I spent more than it's worth on the market - to me it's priceless.

I'm wondering if the kabutogane was a replacement. The details seem to be double-struck, and like you say, the hole isn't cut out for the sarute. Overall, the detals on it don't match the high quality of the other metal fittings. Might go along with the reasons for the re-wrap. Ditto with everyone else - need to see the nakago for more detailed eval.

Bruce, I’d love to see the nakago with serial number! Do you have pics?

Superior private with civil sword.

Pilot with standard length gunto:

That was interesting to read Ohmura's page on this, thanks Chris. He seems to claim that this configuration/pattern was a dedicated "army civilian employee" style. I wonder if that is an error in translation or if it was exactly what he meant? Other than this page, I have never seen anything or any other source calling it as such. Yet, the existance of another sword, fitted with the same style might support his claim.

Quite an interesting Rinji (type 3) rig! Love the white ito! Is that a steel menkugi or is it a screw? I found a Seki Kanenori listed in the RJT smith list on Japaneseswordindex.com, don't know if it is the same guy. No Star stamp, though? If it is the same guy, it is well known that many of the smiths made both gendaito and showato. Someone more knowledgable in the smiths will have to answer your question about the kanji.

That is interesting indeed! The "Mukden" arsenal (Nan-man) was known to make rifles too, so no telling what this equipment was used for. Seems pretty small - 1 Lathe etc - for making any weapon in substantial numbers. Could be for making some Mantetsu blades, couldn't it!

The second is Ray’s “2”

Cream tassel Patches.

You can see some here: http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/28631-railway-swords-stamps/?hl=%2Bcream+%2Btassel&do=findComment&comment=301647 And several here: http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/Japanese-militaria/cream-brown-tassel-railway-police-743884/ They were for rail employees.

They litterally had the same choices as regular IJA officers.

Chris, you must have misunderstood me. What I was saying is that there was no “civilian sword” designated for the gunzoku. They wore Officer Type 98s and, before the uniform reg change, rank tassels commensurate with their equivalent rank.

Chris, You won't find and "civil employees swords in the IJA". Gunzuko were authorized by reg to carry Type 98 gunto commensurate with their rank. The only way to know it was carried by Gunzuko is if it had the all brown tassel. Nick Komiya found the uniform reg change that designated the all brown tassel for the Gunzuko. So civil swords, refitted in varying degrees, were carried by all services and all ranks. Found here: http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/Japanese-militaria/what-were-regulations-army-civilian-employees-carry-swords-701783/

Like this. When I got mine, I assumed the rough filing was a Bubba-job. But a thread came up where we discovered several in this condition and it as said to be done in the field.

Austus, Can you show us an example of what you mean by zigzag edge?

Correct on all counts! Good research! Running $375-400 USD ON fleabay.

Dawson shows there were 2 styles of the scabbard throat on the 32, and yours is one of them. My Otsu is "5814", so like Steve said, both models ran numbers from probably 1 to the thousands. Both my Ko and Otsu have the leather spacer.

These 2 are a good place to start: https://www.amazon.com/Swords-Imperial-Japan-1868-1945/dp/0971912726

I will admit that I am no expert on Type 19s, and will go back and read what Dawson said about these. But at the time of their making, late 1800s, they were the only officer blades. Wasn't it the use of these in the Sino-Japanese war of the 1920s that brought about the revival of true samurai-styled swords for the military? They were breaking in the Chinese winters due to brutal cold, plus they were bouncing off the heavily wrapped Chinese soldiers. So, they were being used as weapons in battle. Kenny, can you tell if yours is chromed, or is that just the shine from lighting? If chromed, I'd say clearly it was a "dress" sword (I don't know when they experimented with chrome, if it was that early, maybe not). But if plain steel, then it was made as a weapon.

I have found that if you crop a photo before posting, even a tiny bit, the website software will post it upright correctly.