Thoughts on this sword I just picked up

[Eric187]

8 minutes ago, When Necessary said:

I see that my last post referring to the nepo baby has been selectively deleted. This is unfortunate as it also contained an apology from me to the OP for my own part in derailing his perfectly reasonable enquiry about a very interesting sword - whatever it's condition. Therefore, I must apologise to @Eric187 once again.
 

As stated, I can only see half the conversation now but I'm confident that no such apology has been forthcoming from the self aggrandising egotist who insists on judging absolutely everything by Juyo standards - which even the NBTHK does not do when looking at blades submitted to the lower rankings of Hozon and Tokubetsu Hozon. One has only to look at his early threads which absolutely crow to the heavens of his Juyo level successes to see how he now looks down upon anything - however notable in its own, humble, merits - which does not meet this ludicrously lofty standard. 
He once created another, deliberately provocative thread entitled "What is the definition of and(sic) Elitist collector?" - to answer his own question, he need only look in the mirror.

No worries but appreciate it as well as all the input from everyone.

[When Necessary]

Just now, Eric187 said:

No worries but appreciate it as well as all the input from everyone.

You are most gracious and understanding, Eric - thank you!

 

Whatever the flaws in your blade, it is a fascinating part of history which more than one owner has held with pride and reverence. Enjoy that fact and don't let these clashes of egos (mine included) put you off your very interesting piece in any way. Learn from those who wish to teach and ignore those who wish to preach!

 

All the very best!

Dee

[Rivkin]

8 hours ago, Jussi Ekholm said:

Here is one historically important naginata-naoshi attributed as work of Yoshioka Ichimonji Sukemitsu, it is signed and dated. However I cannot personally stand the horimono...

https://web.archive.org/web/20220112040404/https:/www.aoijapan.com/wakizashi-ichi-bishu-yoshioka-jyu-saecut-after-that/

 

 

It is an interesting question or better to say an issue I always had, and maybe with your wealth of knowledge about signed blades have a position on this.

Considerable portion of Ichimonji makers have signed tanto, to lesser extent naginata where hamon is suguha based, with some notare or midare. I find these blades, especially when tired enough the hada becomes rough, to be exceptionally ugly.

Am I missing something?

Is there a good understanding regarding such stylistic choice? And would not one be interested primarily in a daito which shows classical choji work rather than one of those blades?

[Rivkin]

On 9/10/2025 at 8:37 PM, Rayhan said:

When we look at the 48th Juyo Oshigata that Markus gave us permission to post here in the NMB we have many wonderful examples of how Bohi should be positioned and cut. In most instances (there are a few 2-3 maybe, that are not good representations of Bohi even in the 48th Juyo.) But, in most cases you see the Bohi cut uniformly hugging the Shinogi Ji and at the Kissaki side ending uniformly and symmetrically. There is no downward dipping. At the end of the Bohi (Nakago side) you see it gracefully leave the blades base and allows for the whole sugata to be complimented. 

 

I personally much appreciate this point being made, but in return have two things in mind:

late (Meiji?) horimono do drift around stylewise

we don't know the basic sword quality. there are couple of things I like about it, there are many kizus, but there are even more unknowns.

 

It will never be Juyo (but miracles happen), I personally don't have clear understanding when and who cut the horimono versus made the blade etc..

I would be interested in studying this blade in hand, with 95% of swords I studied I learned at least something new.

I like what little is seen jigane-wise.

[Brano]

We can discuss the method of communication used to describe the blade
It does not change the fact that this blade was made as a weapon and served for defensive and offensive purposes

 

However, from an artistic point of view, the skill of the swordsmith is clear that we have here a blade of low quality

If someone's goal is to collect blades of this level, it is perfectly fine if this collector is aware of what he is collecting

 

However, if we have a newbie here, it would be fair to speak honestly.
The blade has many technical shortcomings and I believe that everyone who asks questions is asking in order to learn
And not to be praised and given unjustified optimism

[Alex A]

46 minutes ago, Brano said:

And not to be praised and given unjustified optimism

 

Really cant be assed getting back into this but a bit taken back by that.

 

Usually, would agree. Though this for me is not a clear cut case, the sword is out of polish.

 

Personally, i cant dismiss something as junk when i don't know what it is. Not judging a sword on Horimono that appear to be done later.

 

For all we know it could be a shortened Dotanuki or similar school, should it go in the trash?. Check the prices stuff like that sells for now.

 

As far as i can tell, no one has been PRAISED or promised the world.

 

Thats all i want to add.

[Brano]

1 hour ago, Alex A said:

 

Really cant be assed getting back into this but a bit taken back by that.

 

Usually, would agree. Though this for me is not a clear cut case, the sword is out of polish.

 

Personally, i cant dismiss something as junk when i don't know what it is. Not judging a sword on Horimono that appear to be done later.

 

For all we know it could be a shortened Dotanuki or similar school, should it go in the trash?. Check the prices stuff like that sells for now.

 

As far as i can tell, no one has been PRAISED or promised the world.

 

Thats all i want to add.

Alex - no one said it should go in the trash

Your guess is maybe an o-suriage very late Muromachi/ Momoyama or bit later blade - correct?
According to the photo, the sugata is about 64.5 cm now
More than 95% of the blades from the period you defined that I have in my database do not exceed 76cm in ubu
Already in my eyes the sugata is deformed (maybe I'm wrong) with sori at the bottom of the blade
Now mentally lengthen the sugata by shortening it...

 

Jigane has a lot of kitaeware, the repair costs will almost certainly exceed the fair market value of the blade and for the money invested in the restoration I think Eric can buy a blade in good condition from the school you assume it could be

[Alex A]

Brano, im not doing a kantei on what is available and didnt mean for it to sound like ive come to any conclusions.

 

My point was and always has been that this blade needs more scrutiny than folks pulling up tape measures and stuff.

 

This site is actually for the preservation of ALL Japanese swords, i will do what i can to support that.

 

Only Joking here Brian, but was surprised at the love emoji at the remark above when its your site (meant as a laugh)

 

Im in the camp that if you dont know for sure, then you dont know for sure.

 

Amazed how folks can eliminate a sword so rashly.

 

Online Kantei by horimono and a few other bits and bobs 

 

The experts have spoken, God help us.

 

 

[Brian]

Why are we going round and round in circles?
I get the feeling some are just here for the arguments. 
Simple fact...I said it needs closer examination. Based on a quick glance.
Rayhan pointed out many things that i has not seen, and I have to agree with that. It is pretty far gone. No point trying to make out it isn't.
I do NOT agree with Rayhan's "only collect the top stuff" way of collecting, but I do understand it. Top art collectors push for everyone to collect the best. Simple fact is that many of us will never have the money to collect anything TH or higher. No matter how much we save. But we are still entitled to collect at a level we enjoy. That doesn't mean top collectors have to lower their standards. I get it. I appreciate that for many, only the best is worth collectong. I don't agree with telling everyone that they must do the same.
So yes...he is allowed his opinion and I understand it and respect it. But can't follow it myself. That's ok, I know the limits of my own items, and don't expect treasures.
Why some get so upset at blunt honestly when it comes to evaluating poor stuff, I do not know. Just ignore it if you don't agree. By the same token, leave people to collect what they like. Advise them what they have, and the negatives...then let them do what they like. No point telling them they have trash and should throw it away.
Both sides have a point. I draw the line at people getting personal though. But am distracted enough that I haven't done nearly enough moderation.
Far too many collectors end up with heaps of project blade, rusted and poor quality that will never be restored. It's a bad habit and almost every time some amateur gets the job and wrecks it.
Anyways, I'm trying to avoid the stress here. Guys...just chill a bit!! This is a place to relax, not jump on someone for their opinions. You gain nothing except stress.
Advise people if you like. Then let them do what they want. Both sides equally at fault here, both with valid points. Can we just calm down a bit?

[Matsunoki]

Back to the sword.

Had a go at improving the image of the dragon horimono. Whilst its placement may be a bit unusual to my eyes it looks well executed. Before I’m jumped on I’m not saying it’s a really fine example but from this single image it looks very crisp with good detailing and flowing movement.  The way the scales are carved can be a giveaway but these look correctly defined, not just cross-hatched like many lower quality examples.

Also worth bearing in mind that the Horimono were quite possibly added later as already mentioned….late Edo or even Meiji  when times were largely peaceful and when image and bling were becoming more important, possibly more important than correct placement. Horimono artists (probably) didn’t come cheap so this would have cost some money.

Also some collectors would happily buy this simply for that horimono….a decent example of a related craft, albeit on a blade that is past its best. There is nothing wrong with that.

Anyone else see what looks like a wide choji hamon in some of the images?

 

[Brian]

Horimono could be one of those added during the war. This seems to be of the same sort that I sometimes see on wartime swords, all being very similar. Not terribly done, I suspect there was a group doing these for officers who wanted to jazz up their sword, but I have no proof. It isn't a terrible hori...like Colin says, the scales are often flat ans just cross hatched. Not top work, but we have seen a lot worse.
I am not saying it IS one of these, just that it may be...maybe even a blade that was mounted for war and was later remounted. No idea, but all theories are possible I guess.

[Hokke]

5 hours ago, Brian said:

So yes...he is allowed his opinion and I understand it and respect it. 

Why some get so upset at blunt honestly when it comes to evaluating poor stuff, I do not know.  I draw the line at people getting personal though. 

Then let them do what they want. 

Im addressing you Brian and your specific statement and then I am out of this thread for good, I assure you. Since tone is impossible to write effectively, please know my post below is that of two people sitting at dinner having a discussion, not a vitriolic rant AT YOU. We can continue this via PM if you like, but I need this said openly.

 

The words you convey, IMO, are very swiss, that is to say very political without much meaning and here is why I say it. 

Of course people are allowed to state their opinions, no one has EVER made an issue of this, so you are stating a fact not in contention. The question is as to how someone states their opinion, and more importantly, for what purpose. Most here state an opinion to be helpful and educate where possible. One member here states their opinion as unimpeachable fact, not in an effort to educated but rather to embarrass or demoralize. This is evident because there is ZERO need to label things as “crap”, "paperweights", "waste of every penny" and "money down the drain". It serves no purpose, except to humiliate. Now don't get me wrong, I am not a warm and fuzzy individual who believes everyone should get a trophy and that people must soften themselves not to cause the least bit of offense, but there IS a difference between being professional and being being a SCUMBAG. The question is what do YOU want this forum to represent. Because when you and the mods ALLOW this to take place, you are agreeing with it AND thus condoning it. So, if you want the reputation of this forum to be a place where people can visit and be humiliated for wasting every penny on an item, then please state that aloud here and now and I won't ever reference it again. 

 

In the second quote above you touched on this, politically, but again without any teeth. But you followed with "I draw the line at people getting personal". The only time I have seen this happen is when derogatory, unprofessional, selfish comments went unchecked. Seems to me if you eliminate the cause, the effect comes with it. 

 

Lastly, in the last line of the quote above, again, you said nice words, which carry little meaning. I say this because you have seemingly ignored one major component, INFLUENCE. When you have an amateur here posing as an "expert", telling someone they wasted every penny of their money, that can have a long standing effect and I promise you, the effect doesn't end in everyone "doing what they want". If the purpose of this forum is to have people visit and leave with a more educated stance on nihonto, that is one thing. If they leave here and ignore any future sword they see that is unpapered or unpolished, simply because they dont want to be ridiculed publicly if they post it, well, thats something entirely different, isn't it? I am not saying for a moment that we should be preoccupied with how people "feel", my previous sentence probably gives off that vibe, but it incorrect. IMO, this forum, with all its accumulated knowledge, should be a place for an academic approach to nihonto; how people "feel" when they leave here is simply a side effect of how this forum is broadcast to the world. 

[Alex A]

I think some folks have lost touch with reality, hence head in the clouds. 

 

If id have been at an arms fair and seen the blade in hand and thought there was a chance of it taking a polish, id have been straight to the bank for what was paid. I cannot judge that blade from those images, whether it would polish.

 

I dont know what school the blade is. I mentioned Dotanuki, partly because ive seen a lot of their swords with some rough hada, loose grain whatever. We dont know what it is.

 

In the UK, you cannot buy a genuine UNPOLISHED Antique "Samurai Katana" for less than £2000, seriously. I think I'm being optimistic with that price. Do the maths.

 

If the blade could polish, even with some issues it would still demand reasonable money here. I dont actually think the dragon horimono is that bad, seen a lot worse. With the bo-hi and in polish i think it would find a new home. Also Rahan, no, its not ripping off unsuspecting newbies, thats how much swords cost here, even low end swords, take a look.

 

Check out the lanes armoury here and their prices, they definitely don't send their swords to Japan for top notch polish. Its ignorant comparing what goes into preparation for those blades compared your average humble sword here.

 

I am always reluctant to use the term "junk". Any antique sword in the form it should be in is not junk. Junk for me is the broken sword, the stuff we see here over the years that have been reshaped far beyond its original form, you know what i mean.

 

No good can come of forcing ones opinion on others, you just push folks away and piss them off at the same time. If Rayhan had been more tactful then perhaps i wouldn't be here wasting my time again

 

I guess it would be easy to wind anyone up in this game over many swords, including some of their Juyo purchases.

 

Colin had it right in his last post and put it better than i have.

 

For me, this blade was in with a fighting chance of being something that someone would be happy to own and thats all there was to it. Cleaned up saya, a real antique Samurai sword with a chance of nailing the school. 

 

The wiser people here that specifically concentrate on high end swords tend to stay out of such topics and i kind of respect that. An analogy could be someone always flying business class then suddenly having to jump in a Congo airways Cessna and boring all the other passengers to death with complaining, like a spoilt brat.

 

Also one more thing. Most of us here know what good swords are, its pretty condescending to keep having to listen to the same old burb. Its nothing new and we have heard it all before. Change the record.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Alex A]

1 hour ago, Matsunoki said:

Back to the sword.

Had a go at improving the image of the dragon horimono. Whilst its placement may be a bit unusual to my eyes it looks well executed. Before I’m jumped on I’m not saying it’s a really fine example but from this single image it looks very crisp with good detailing and flowing movement.  The way the scales are carved can be a giveaway but these look correctly defined, not just cross-hatched like many lower quality examples.

Also worth bearing in mind that the Horimono were quite possibly added later as already mentioned….late Edo or even Meiji  when times were largely peaceful and when image and bling were becoming more important, possibly more important than correct placement. Horimono artists (probably) didn’t come cheap so this would have cost some money.

Also some collectors would happily buy this simply for that horimono….a decent example of a related craft, albeit on a blade that is past its best. There is nothing wrong with that.

Anyone else see what looks like a wide choji hamon in some of the images?

 

 

I missed this post Colin, very much agree and that was my thoughts. Folks are attracted to Horimono, its clearly better than i thought.

[klee]

Regarding the blade and polish if the topic isnt too far gone.

 

Personally, I never consider resale or financial equation when it comes to sending a blade for polish. It is true that you ll almost never recover the cost of the polish in added value to the blade.

 

The polish is for my own enjoyment of the blade and satisfaction of seeing it restored to it s maximum potential. 

 

And also, you would be astounded at what a good polisher can do to blade that may seem too far gone.

 

So if you love the blade and would like to have it restored, by all means send it in and have it evaluated and polished. All that matters in collecting is how much YOU like the blade and want to invest.

 

I believe the creation of nihonto is a sacred process and in a perfect world, every blade should find an owner willing to restore/preserve it.

 

Every single blade I ve sent in for polish would be considered a waste of money by the standards of many ( most ) on here but it s honestly some of the best money I ve ever spent.

[Matsunoki]

My final say on the subject of “behaviour”…….

If the line is truly drawn at personal attacks (doubly so when factually inaccurate and totally malicious) then I look forward to receiving no further such crap from Rayhan.

Given the culture that surrounds Nihonto (and of course the general culture of Japan) hopefully we can bring some respect back.

[Rayhan]

1 hour ago, Matsunoki said:

My final say on the subject of “behaviour”…….

If the line is truly drawn at personal attacks (doubly so when factually inaccurate and totally malicious) then I look forward to receiving no further such crap from Rayhan.

Given the culture that surrounds Nihonto (and of course the general culture of Japan) hopefully we can bring some respect back.

Very well Colin, as you command, this will be my last post on the NMB. 

 

Colin you have sold crap to unsuspecting buyers. You will always have a market for that apparently so good on you. Keep going. 

 

2 hours ago, Alex A said:

I think some folks have lost touch with reality, hence head in the clouds. 

 

If id have been at an arms fair and seen the blade in hand and thought there was a chance of it taking a polish, id have been straight to the bank for what was paid. I cannot judge that blade from those images, whether it would polish.

 

I dont know what school the blade is. I mentioned Dotanuki, partly because ive seen a lot of their swords with some rough hada, loose grain whatever. We dont know what it is.

 

In the UK, you cannot buy a genuine UNPOLISHED Antique "Samurai Katana" for less than £2000, seriously. I think I'm being optimistic with that price. Do the maths.

 

If the blade could polish, even with some issues it would still demand reasonable money here. I dont actually think the dragon horimono is that bad, seen a lot worse. With the bo-hi and in polish i think it would find a new home. Also Rahan, no, its not ripping off unsuspecting newbies, thats how much swords cost here, even low end swords, take a look.

 

Check out the lanes armoury here and their prices, they definitely don't send their swords to Japan for top notch polish. Its ignorant comparing what goes into preparation for those blades compared your average humble sword here.

 

I am always reluctant to use the term "junk". Any antique sword in the form it should be in is not junk. Junk for me is the broken sword, the stuff we see here over the years that have been reshaped far beyond its original form, you know what i mean.

 

No good can come of forcing ones opinion on others, you just push folks away and piss them off at the same time. If Rayhan had been more tactful then perhaps i wouldn't be here wasting my time again

 

I guess it would be easy to wind anyone up in this game over many swords, including some of their Juyo purchases.

 

Colin had it right in his last post and put it better than i have.

 

For me, this blade was in with a fighting chance of being something that someone would be happy to own and thats all there was to it. Cleaned up saya, a real antique Samurai sword with a chance of nailing the school. 

 

The wiser people here that specifically concentrate on high end swords tend to stay out of such topics and i kind of respect that. An analogy could be someone always flying business class then suddenly having to jump in a Congo airways Cessna and boring all the other passengers to death with complaining, like a spoilt brat.

 

Also one more thing. Most of us here know what good swords are, its pretty condescending to keep having to listen to the same old burb. Its nothing new and we have heard it all before. Change the record.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Truly Alex i now understand that when dealing with you @Hokkeand people like @When Necessarythere is no getting around a victim mentality and there will always be pushback. So better to know my place and leave the advisory on the NMB to more educated minds. Thank you for always reminding me. 

 

To the new collectors on here, well apparently telling the truth will deter you from entering the hobby (it did not deter me but i guess @Matsunokihas decided you are all made of clay or something). So i guess you will not be detered by being sold low level items and having your expectations crushed but hey, at least it will be an item from Japan, maybe. 

 

Enjoy everyone, the nightmare is over. 

[Alex A]

Its just swords Rayhan, more to life than getting worked up over things you cant change.

 

You have to accept that we are all different.

 

To be honest, was more on your wavelength, from memory, but you are driving me the opposite way.

 

You are having the opposite effect.

 

There is a lesson to be learned. People need to find their own way, with a little bit of a nudge, not a kick up the ass.

 

[Rawa]

13 minutes ago, Rayhan said:

Very well Colin, as you command, this will be my last post on the NMB. 

 

Colin you have sold crap to unsuspecting buyers. You will always have a market for that apparently so good on you. Keep going. 

 

Truly Alex i now understand that when dealing with you @Hokkeand people like @When Necessarythere is no getting around a victim mentality and there will always be pushback. So better to know my place and leave the advisory on the NMB to more educated minds. Thank you for always reminding me. 

 

To the new collectors on here, well apparently telling the truth will deter you from entering the hobby (it did not deter me but i guess @Matsunokihas decided you are all made of clay or something). So i guess you will not be detered by being sold low level items and having your expectations crushed but hey, at least it will be an item from Japan, maybe. 

 

Enjoy everyone, the nightmare is over. 

Mr @Rayhan your opinion is equally valuable. I like extremely skeptical point of view. When I buy trash I know what I buy. But If you would agree to be less "aggresive" it would be better for everyone here. We don't want to scare anyone from posting. Especially new collectors.

[Mark]

i am not sure what to make of this. I don't want to stir things up more than they are.   I agree that a sword needs to be seen in hand especially when in this condition.  I think people get an exaggerated idea of what can be established from a few pictures. The internet seems to feed the "instant answer to everything" idea.  Reality is different. 

 

I think the owner is in Indiana.  Not sure where as it is a big state but he is fortunate as there is a study group in Indiana. I saw Chris posted and he is a member.  I live near northeast IN and would help if you ever travel to the Toledo area.  There is the Chicago sword show every April where you can meet a multitude of collectors.  

 

I see "In the UK, you cannot buy a genuine UNPOLISHED Antique "Samurai Katana" for less than £2000, seriously. I think I'm being optimistic with that price"........ while this may be true in the UK here in Midwest US you can buy plenty of swords for less than $1500.  I will be at a show next week with 20+ swords many of them less than $1000 ..... but that is probably supply and demand

 

mark

[Alex A]

I can see genuine antique swords becoming more expensive here, Mark. With hassles due to shipping and imports.

 

You guys are very lucky.

[Schneeds]

Eric came here asking for thoughts on this sword.  A number of experienced members chimed in with opinions and observations.  And while some were delicately stated, and some not, I found myself learning from the things I had missed and overlooked none the less.     

 

Eric asked for thoughts, and to his credit, welcomed all of them.  This is the way.  

[ChrisW]

I've reached out to Eric and at some point, he and I will be meeting. I'll give it a good long hard look when I see it in person. Photographs just don't typically do nihonto justice.

 

 

I think people just need to calm down a bit. Passions have run a bit hot and it has come to personal attacks, which is unbecoming of such a distinguished collection of people. Let's all agree to drop the attitudes and just stick to well-educated opinions predicated on observable facts, yeah?

We're here for the swords, let's keep it that way!

[Rivkin]

I am sorry the discussion got out of hand.

At least Eric got a taste of what being a collector is like.

Run while you can.

After the first blade most still can get out.

The third one gets you.

[Ian B3HR2UH]

Please don't go Rayhan, the board needs more people who are prepared to tell it how it is . Bon Dale was the leading light of the Token Society of GB in the early days, he tried to educate the masses and was pretty scathing when it came to bad swords . He would be rolling in his grave if he read this discussion .

Ian Brooks

[Alex A]

Some perspective for those that think the sun shines out of Rays ass, the penny dropped for me a while ago when i recognised a pattern. Pretty sure he used to be known here as "Kawa". I could be wrong but doubt it.

 

Same old nonsense, had Kawa on ignore for years but couldn't help notice the same kind of disturbance

 

Has anyone noticed the personal attacks he has been doing recently with Colin?, to which Colin has been the perfect gent and handled it more calmly than most would.

 

Same years ago, seen it all before.

 

If im correct then Kawa/Rayhan is the part of the reason some really knowledgeable people have been put off from returning here.

 

Brian running the forum, i could understand why it makes sense to want to have folks with deep pockets hanging around, offering trinkets or whatever.

 

That's great for the forum but not great for the others that have to put up with his overbearing personality.

 

As said in this thread, people collect a wide range of varying quality swords. Jeez, ive been through everything on this journey.

 

From Nanbokucho Nobukuni to Enomoto Sadayoshi and back round and a round through Yokoyama and Hizen and back down to Dotanuki and beyond. Some of the lesser regarded sword schools have been some of the best to own, for certain reasons. The Dotanuki, not known for their artistic merit, the sword i owned wasn't an arty farty sword but everyone loved it. It weighed a ton, a real clunker and i wish i still owned it, the NBTHK thought it worthy of Tokubetsu Hozen. That's the sword i sold to Guido, he was happy to own it. 

 

I own very good quality swords with TH and not so good quality without papers. One of my favourite swords is a Koto Mino tanto that is said to bring luck and i think it does, my son will get that. It has chips that i chose to leave as that's how i think it should stay. There is just something about it, i was meant to own it. The polish is perfect.

 

I'm not really interested in Juyo swords for a few reasons. They are too expensive and i find great swords for a lot less, i dont need to chase those papers though at a push i could of done years ago. Though would that of made me happy?........... NO.  We all know that buying stuff you cant afford leads to misery.

 

Point being, no one needs to hear LOUD OVERBEARING ADVICE on what to buy, let folks ********enjoy their sword ownership in peace without the need to make them comply.

 

People can be honest here, with some tact and sensitivity to how deep other folks pockets may be.

 

 

PS FORGOT TO SAY. There is NOTHING at all to stop folks discussing high quality swords here. Various comments here like "there's not enough high quality sword conversation" or whatever. I don't get it, maybe start a topic, just an idea.

 

Or is more fun to pester the bottom feeders with elitists ideology???????

 

[Lewis B]

50 minutes ago, Alex A said:

 

If im correct then Kawa/Rayhan is the part of the reason some really knowledgeable people have been put off from returning here.

 

 

 

 

I think his past postings are quoted under username "Guest Rayhan". "Kawa" may also be correct using the search function.

[Brano]

38 minutes ago, Alex A said:

Some perspective for those that think the sun shines out of Rays ass, the penny dropped for me a while ago when i recognised a pattern. Pretty sure he used to be known here as "Kawa". I could be wrong but doubt it.

 

Same old nonsense, had Kawa on ignore for years but couldn't help notice the same kind of disturbance

 

Has anyone noticed the personal attacks he has been doing recently with Colin?, to which Colin has been the perfect gent and handled it more calmly than most would.

 

Same years ago, seen it all before.

 

If im correct then Kawa/Rayhan is the part of the reason some really knowledgeable people have been put off from returning here.

 

Brian running the forum, i could understand why it makes sense to want to have folks with deep pockets hanging around, offering trinkets or whatever.

 

That's great for the forum but not great for the others that have to put up with his overbearing personality.

 

As said in this thread, people collect a wide range of varying quality swords. Jeez, ive been through everything on this journey.

 

From Nanbokucho Nobukuni to Enomoto Sadayoshi and back round and a round through Yokoyama and Hizen and back down to Dotanuki and beyond. Some of the lesser regarded sword schools have been some of the best for certain reasons. The Dotanuki, not known for their artistic merit, the sword i owned wasn't an arty farty sword but everyone loved it. It weighed a ton, a real clunker and i wish i still owned it, the NBTHK thought it worthy of Tokubetsu Hozen. That's the sword i sold to Guido, he was happy to own it. 

 

I own very good quality swords with TH and not so good quality without papers. One of my favourite swords is a Koto Mino tanto that is said to bring luck and i think it does, my son will get that. It has chips that i chose to leave as that's how i think it should stay. There is just something about it, i was meant to own it. The polish is perfect.

 

I'm not really interested in Juyo swords for a few reasons. They are too expensive and i find great swords for a lot less, i dont need to chase those papers though at a push i could of done years ago. Though would that of made me happy?........... NO.  We all know that buying stuff you cant afford leads to misery.

 

Point being, no one needs to hear LOUD OVERBEARING ADVICE on what to buy, let folks ********enjoy their sword ownership in peace without the need to make them comply.

 

People can be honest here, with some tact and sensitivity to how deep other folks pockets may be.

 

 

PS FORGOT TO SAY. There is NOTHING at all to stop folks discussing high quality swords here. Various comments here like "there's not enough high quality sword conversation" or whatever. I don't get it, maybe start a topic, just an idea.

 

Or is more fun to pester the bottom feeders with elitists ideology???????

 

You are resorting to personal attacks again and at the same time calling for decency
What do you mean - if it's you, is it okay?
I have nothing personal against you, but don't do what you criticize to others

 

And I also have to say that I completely disagree with your statement, why did most of the educated people leave this forum and those who stayed here watch in silence where it's all going

This topic is a typical example of that

[Alex A]

Your obviously Rays friend, Brano. I can respect that.

 

Maybe you sell him swords, dunno.

 

Educated people can have educated discussions but they don't seem to have many at all. There is AMPLE OPPORTUNITY for higher quality sword discussion here but the space seems rarely taken up?

 

Its like the folks that should be doing that kind of discussion prefer getting involved in discussions about lower tier swords, its strange. Maybe it makes for an easier life, dunno.

 

By the way, i am not resorting to personal attacks. I am stating FACTS about why this thread has ended up the way it has ended up.

 

If Rayan had more tact and wasn't his usual self, as he has been in the past. This would have been a peaceful thread.

 

Id be more worried about losing new members to the forum and old ones that support it more than the usual suspect that has caused **** for years.

[Rivkin]

9 minutes ago, Alex A said:

Its like the folks that should be doing that kind of discussion prefer getting involved in discussions about lower tier swords, its strange.

Its an interesting point and I would say that:

 

1. The novelty of forums is gone and people came back to their own small interaction circles. They read, but do not participate.

2. Once they have papers they don't need to discuss things, or so they feel.

3. It is very common for someone posting photographs to receive a substantial dose of insults, ranging from you can't form an opinion based on a photograph, to its junk which should not be used as an example etc..

4. Politics. The place used to be entirely liberal and very nasty to those who are not.  I am far right and very nasty.

5. The number of educated people who could contribute significantly is grossly overestimated.