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Absolutely. I wish you every success Brian. Adam

I just want to return Kyle's stuff, refund him and get back my koshirae then I'll close my account on here. I'm not good at these forums and that's a fact. Both parties should be happy with a deal or the deal is null and void. I made it very clear that I was not happy. So Why the delay? 30th was my sons 7th birthday I was preoccupied all day. 31st my final consultation meeting regarding my redundancy so mentally preoccupied. Saturday completely forgot about it. Sunday had a CT scan for a diagnosis of my COPD lot going through my head as this isn't going to get better! Monday a grievence hearing regarding unfair dismissal. In hindsight I should have let him know immediately but having been burned on a non delivery claim even when a person had signed for the goods and with postal services signing on behalf of the recepient, I wanted him to confirm receipt before I raised my rejection.

"In normal circumstances, I would have happily returned the item in return for my own items and cash, but the erratic and threatening messages which I received, not to mention the potential of being out of pocket for returning the koshirae, led me to desire no further engagement with Adam and refusal to further entertain him." THIS STATEMENT FROM YOU Cannot be any clearer to me and your reply is just another attempt to worm your way out of your statement. You cannot evidence threatening behaviour and of being out of pocket prior to your refusing to cancel the deal. I offered return postage. FACT. Your responce was to my offer of a full refund and return of your goods and postage. It was a very clear refusal FACT. The £12.50 I offered you is with £200 insurance parcelforce 48. I honestly cannot believe that you claim that you would have returned the item had I not been threatening to you and you being "out of pocket" and your still trying to fool people. YOU NEVER HAD ANY INTENTIONS OF RETURNING THE KOSHIRAE. WHY MAKE OUT YOU DID? And still you will do your utmost to keep it, even when proven to be slightly short on the truth. You make me laugh honestly you have absolutely no morals at all. VALRIC. And I also agree with you Valric I wanted nothing more than to cancel this deal I was just trying to find a compromise to redress the balance. Maybe I am difficult but lets just say if the deal stacked up, then none of this would have happened. And the deal wouldn't have happened in the first place if I had been "threatening" in any way. I agree I am more than happy to return everything, cover the return postage and refund the original £7.50 whilst losing my original postage costs. I will make sure that he is not out of pocket in any way. So Kyle what do you want to do because I think I know your answer already.

From what I understand no one is forcing you to read any of this. Lets put the point back again. So Kyle stated above. " In normal circumstances, I would have happily returned the item in return for my own items and cash, but the erratic and threatening messages which I received, not to mention the potential of being out of pocket for returning the koshirae, led me to desire no further engagement with Adam and refusal to further entertain him." More lies as this email was sent right before he refused to return it. Email 3rd August 13.21 Kyle did you get the Koshirae? I don't mind if you want to cancel this trade. Hello Adam, Yes, I received the koshirae and I'm quite pleased with it. Ok thanks. Regretfully I'm not so. I think the tanto Koshirae is pretty badly damaged and not worth £350 in it's condition maybe £200 if your lucky. I've bought a lot better for less, no offense. I just don't know how to best proceed. What do you think? Kyle : I'm sorry to hear you're not happy. However, as I told you the first time I showed it to you, I based the price on the fittings (the tsuka and saya are just a bonus): £150 for the fuchigashira, £150 for the menuki, and £50 for the kojiri, which may even have undervalued them. I have personally never seen shakudo fittings of a similar size and quality sell for less than that on NMB. If you have previously bought something similar for less, then you have been very lucky Me: Of course and yet as we all know in any trade based on images we should allow the recipient on both sides a day or two to inspect the goods to confirm they are happy. I think the deal so heavy in your favour I'd be happy to cancel . What do you think? I'm trying not to create a difficult situation Kyle I just think as usual I'm getting the bad end of the deal. Happens all the time. Kyle how about we compromise. The menuki are not in the condition I would use them so a waste. How about we change them for a better set and we will call it evens? Kyle: No reply. Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 5:51 PM Adam " I'm going to refund your £300 plus £12.50 for the postage by Parcel force 48. I'll send your items back by special delivery tomorrow. Please put my Koshirae back in the box it came in safely to protect against damage and send it back to me. Let's put this down to experience and I doubt we will go down this road again." Mon, 3 Aug 2020, 17:53 Kyle " Sorry Adam, a deal is a deal" Aug 3, 2020 at 6:00 PM Adam Doesn't work that way. Inspection period is a must. You have sent a load of items that look way better in the low Res images. Had my Koshirae not been to your liking you would be doing exactly the same thing. I'll have my goods back please. The rest is all nitty gritty between us. I would like to add that clearly the statement regarding any potential return and being "out of pocket" was a load of rubbish. Also there were no threatening emails to the point of his refusal to return my items or afterwards. Kyle knew he had the better of this transaction and had NO intention whatsoever of considering any return. He was keeping my koshirae whatever happened. Kyle, So ill throw down the gauntlet for you as say this. If you can evidence that prior to Mon, 3 Aug 2020, 17:53 I was in any way threatening in my emails to you with regards to this transaction, or that I did not offer to cover all return postage for both parties, then I will make a formal apology on this forum and you can keep the koshirae. If you cannot then kindly do what you claim you would have done and return my koshirae to me immediately with no more fabrication on your part. Regards Adam

Neil I obviously thought I could trust Kyle he seemed genuinely interested and moderately fair in pricing . Although I appreciate his clear-out sale was not a great success, perhaps due to his pricing. Had he not liked the condition of my koshirae on receiving it, he would have requested a return. That's a fact. I would have agreed because I want people to be entirely happy. I try to treat others as I would like to be treated myself. I'm far from perfect but I would not lie and cheat or publicly try to discredit a person directly. Thats why none of you knew to whom I referred until he decided in his infinite wisdom to respond.

Absolutely. I get a very poor job done on a wrap its my fault. Pretty much everyone agreed it was a bad wrap. I agree to a trade heavy deal as suggested by another and I'm stuck with the junk while the other party walks away with a big grin because he's come off far better. He then decides to quote some truths mixed with fabrication, dig into private conversations with professional bodies and directly attack me on a public forum in the hope of discrediting me regardless of the fact that I had the decency to not name or shame anyone, my post was totally generic. My fault again. Tsukamaki : My order was also for fancy gold shitodome which he makes, not black second hand dented shitodome. But as they were free why am I complaining right? The restorer did two ito before this but he never contacted me or asked what style so when I did contact him he had already done one and started the other. It was only at this point I realised his default style is Tsumami not Hineri as almost all tsuka are. I said I need the second tsuka the same as the katana and sent a picture in hineri. He said he'd have to start again and I agreed to pay him to do so. I said if your OK can I send out a different fuchi kashira. He agreed and It arrived the next morning. He did the second in the style I wanted I was very happy with the photos he sent and paid him. I sent the 2.5" tsuka to him. The brief was to wrap it fit menuki supplied and fuchi kashira. Make fancy gold shitodome (he does nice ones) tell me what it cost and I'll pay. I got back the badly wrapped tsuka in the wrong style with second hand slightly dented black shitodome. Why on earth should I accept a completely different job to the one commissioned. I did not refuse to pay him I sent an enail asking for it to be redone which to date has been ignored. It seems the suggestion is that we just take it on the chin when people ignore instructions. Or if people see they have a cracking deal and refuse to return an item even when the other party said they would refund all postage costs and pay return delivery fir their items back. So Kyle stated above. " In normal circumstances, I would have happily returned the item in return for my own items and cash, but the erratic and threatening messages which I received, not to mention the potential of being out of pocket for returning the koshirae, led me to desire no further engagement with Adam and refusal to further entertain him." More lies as this email was sent right before he refused to return it. " I'm going to refund your £300 plus £12.50 for the postage by Parcel force 48. I'll send your items back by special delivery tomorrow. Please put my Koshirae back in the box it came in safely to protect against damage and send it back to me. Let's put this down to experience and I doubt we will go down this road again." His reply to this email, as you already know was " Sorry Adam, a deal is a deal" Furthermore I can see no threats in my emails at all or any erratic emails ive just gone over the entire chain which is 14 emails in relation to the deal not the collection over weeks and weeks. I clearly wanted my koshirae back and was being as calm as possible. I did offer a compromise agreed, but this was ignored. So already two lies. I did not ask to trade as he stated originally,it was he wanted a "trade heavy deal" He was never going to return my koshirae he used fabricated threatening emails and "being out of pocket for return postage " to justify his refusing to be honourable. I've learnt a very hard lesson here.

Thanks Steve. Eishō ninen HACHIGATSU-JITSU 1505 YES?

Please no more. After a while Kyle you will even start to believe your own crap. Why in earth would you even try to convince me this utter tripe in any way is a true and accurate record of anything. You forget I know what's true and what's your imagination. You might fool the general reader but not me. It was you who didn't have the funds and wanted a trade heavy deal. Bigger fool me for agreeing, but then I thought it a gentleman's agreement. Not an opportunity for you to rip me off. GDPR You should not have that level of detail into a private discussion between myself and the Token Society of GB albeit that you have twisted it to suit your own needs. I'm asking for this to be investigated. You cannot possibly judge what went down between "a well known restorer" and I, you were not privy to any of it. You frankly do not have a clue. Do you with your PhD understand what slander in a public forum is? I really recommend that you show what you have written to your solicitors because a storms coming. You don't lie and slander me in public. Remember I only have to prove one of your statements is a lie to win the case. Lets see how your bull stands up in a court of law. I've got the money and hell I think you would deserve it. For the record My mention of the Irish Token society was merely a name grabbed from the air. I could have said any other professional body hence the statement "claims to be high up in the Irish Token society or similar group of enthusiast's" It in no way implicates that society or indeed any other in any way shape or form. Now mods please close this before Kyle makes another defamous and false statement that gets him into legal trouble.

Brian, I truly cannot be bothered to respond to that huge pile of steaming crap. It's so far from the truth... I honestly just cannot be bothered. Enjoy your new koshirae Kyle Shuttleworth PhD... person I had the decency not to name but you named yourself . On a personal note just because you say something it doesn't automatically make true. My son, for the last time, has tanto and wakizashi this is very true........ with wooden blades they are called tsunagi and I make them for him myself. I would not give my seven year old a real blade you judgemental prink. The lesson is there should anyone wish to learn from my mistakes. I don't expect many people to be as machiavellian as this guy clearly is. MODS please close this.

I've got a naginata Naoshi with a very pronounced hada identical to that. The Fuchi kashira remind me of the work of Murakawa Hiroyoshi a little. He died in 1841/2 active from around the turn of the century. I was looking at a couple of his works just this morning. Is the Fuchi perhaps signed? Lovely BtW

Also Don't forget David at Rain Dragon antiques.https://www.raindragonfineartandantiques.com He's got a couple of very nice starter swords if your not too hung up on katana being a must. Nothing wrong with a good wakizashi or tanto.

I had a Nara and Hamano kozuka and nice kogatana sent by Nick a member on here and owns Nihonto Art in Canada that went by FedEx and they took five days to the UK . Not cheap at approx $70 US but I'm happy as it got here in record time. Brilliant service from Nick make a note of his website www.NihontoArt.com in Canada as well. Great quality items and a great person to deal with. Thanks Nick.

Hi I've posted in the general section but best check I'm correct in my understanding of this mei and date Can you please confirm what it says? Does the nakago condition look right for the period in question? Thank you Adam

I have to agree with Jean Pierre. It generally indicates a lack of forging skill from what I have been told. It would be hard to realise a good price with those and some people like myself try not to buy flawed blades due to the lack of forging skill and the overall appearance. Did you buy it like that or did they open during a polish? Nice mounts from what I can see.

If I understand this correctly I think this may be rust following the path of least resistance by Chemical or galvanic corrosion. Galvanic corrosion occurs when two dissimilar elements are subjected to a conductive solution and are electrically connected. One metal (the cathode) is protected, whilst the other (the anode) is corroded. The rate of attack on the anode is accelerated, compared to the rate when the metal is uncoupled. For example, if you had oil or water or even a salty fingerprint on a blade you added the solution, something in the saya will create either the anode or cathode and the blade may react in this way. Moisture is if course one of the problems so damp ,something on the blade before oiling or indeed the process started on a microscopic level them exacerbated during storage. So acids or alkaline can be a part of the problem, but not exclusively. If a grain of aluminium makes contact with steel you have a galvanic reaction. Are some military saya not aluminium? Just a theory, but I've seen it happen and the steel ”eaten” in the same way on a very large scale. The cause was alkaline in this case and it corroded the liner of a liquid waste road haulage tanker lined with stainless steel. It did one load then was washed and stood up for a month. Looked like a sieve when we opened it up. This will start on a microscopic level.

That's one of the Paul Martin's sites but the forum is not on there from my search. Did Paul have a forum is probably the right question. If not the web address is wrong.

Just a little warning not to get caught out on trades even if the person trading claims to be high up in the Irish Token society or similar group of enthusiast's. I recently got sent pictures of a few items as a trade on something I listed on here and based on those images decided subject to in hand it might stack up. However when the trade goods arrived they were in very poor condition a tanto Koshirae split and damaged beyond what was seen in images,held together with not a Tsunagi, but two chopsticks from Wagamama and a pair of worn out menuki of low grade. I wrote an email immediately, but my PC died and I thought oh well lets wait until they confirm receipt of my lovely katana Koshirae with dragons and tigers. The Koshirae I found out today had arrived, so I told the other person I was not happy with the quality or condition of his goods. I would rather cancel the trade please. His reply was "Sorry Adam, a deal is a deal” I would have thought anyone of honour would offer an inspection period. I know I do of three days. So remember, not all are bad, but some people you think are honourable and upright members of the Nihonto community, will sometimes shaft you if they can and without remorse.

Hi I need a little help with a mei and date on a nakago. It states Masakiyo saku. It's dated 1505 It looks much later based on the nakago and the only Masakiyo working around this period signed kashū ju fujiwara masakiyo. MAS360. Can anyone find a Smith working with this name in this era to compare this mei to as I don't have as many resources as we collectively have?

Yes very different in most cases. There were a few crossover pieces but your two "menuki" have no cohesion I can see. They really just grabbed anything to hand to make swords that could be used. Style was not a consideration, functionality was all that mattered. I've seen satsuma rebellion swords with buttons for menuki. I see many tobacco pouch clasps like your'e two. Is the fuchi kashira plain shibuishi or Shakudo perhaps ? If it's coming to you cheap I'd think it OK but you may need to consider the cost to Polish it. Not great value as it is in my opinion. Bristol based are you? I'm Exeter. Some of us are getting together mid Sept for a show and tell about 4-6 collectors. Your welcome to attend.

Looks like a real Mish mash of parts. The menuki are tobacco pouch clasps. The wrap is cheap much like satsuma rebellion stuff. Sword I'll leave to the experts but the fittings a very low grade stuff. Can't see the Fuchi kashira sorry.

I like the pine over gorge with river. Very nice.whats the obverse? Or is that the obverse?

Hi Andi, I would imagine with that mei it's trying to identify as The Kikuoka school and the masters workmanship.Your right it's not skilled enough IMHO to be. But in order to try to pass as real, the mei and the work would be copied. I expect many schools did kozuka in this style. There were crossovers from many schools who saw inspiration in another school or artisans work. It's a nice enough piece of art though.

Anyway I'm sure I've bored you to death lol! You can clearly see where my interests are.

Ah penny Drops. Thanks Brian.

Uwe what do you mean "I got this tanto for a shooting"? I'm intrigued by what must be a typo?