AUTHENTIC WW2 ERA Japanese KATANA

[Swords]

This one caught my eye It older maybe Later 1500 just a guess by shape of the blade I’m moving got my books packed up so cannot reference my books Any help would be appreciated 

[Dereks]

Steven, 

 

I’m sure you’ve been told this a million times before, but there is a Military Swords of Japan section on this forum. So why do you keep posting here? I’m tired of seeing your posts in ALL CAPS!

 

You are buying and selling swords(for years...)...Instead of constantly depending on others with zero contribution to this forum, why not try learning on your own first and come to your own conclusions?

 

[Swords]

If you’re tired of reading my post than don’t read them! The purpose of the forum is a learning tool for everyone but I do admit getting away lately 

 And I do contribute and plan on contributing more  to Brian as we should all

[Bruce Pennington]

This is not a WWII blade, Derek.  All I recognize is "Masa".  Have to wait for the real translators for the rest.

 

 

[Rivkin]

Signatures of this level ChatGPT translates with 90% accuracy. Bishu Osafune ju Sukesada. Its a lower grade signature which is somewhat roughly executed, but can be real and the blade sort of looks like late Muromachi.

 

P.S. Chatgpt more often than not does good job on papers, sayagaki and books as well.

[Rivkin]

Double post... I would say though with Muromachi Bizen its important to show entire nakago since there are quite a few clues to whether its original or not.

Edited yesterday at 02:52 AM by Rivkin

[When Necessary]

Off topic.

 

Edited yesterday at 07:16 AM by When Necessary

[Nobody]

相州住正家 - Soshu ju Masaie, or 正宗 (Masamune)?

 

[Rawa]

@Swordsadd close up on crest 

[robinalexander]

Hi Steven @Swords you certainly bring a lot of swords 'to the table' and that is always interesting thanks. 

 

However seeing were a little off topic anyway ... have you ever considered becoming a GOLD member? ... that would help the Forum in a tangible way.

[Rivkin]

19 minutes ago, Nobody said:

相州住正家 - Soshu ju Masaie, or 正宗 (Masamune)?

 

Thank you very much! And I should not hope chatgpt does the work for me....

I've been running it on auto-translate for the images for a while though....

Edited yesterday at 04:07 AM by Rivkin

[Brian]

2 hours ago, robinalexander said:

Hi Steven @Swords you certainly bring a lot of swords 'to the table' and that is always interesting thanks. 

 

However seeing were a little off topic anyway ... have you ever considered becoming a GOLD member? ... that would help the Forum in a tangible way.

Hate to say it, but when it comes to those with a lot of questions and few answers (nothing wrong with that btw, we welcome everyone) but I do wish more would consider helping with the logistics of this place. We are down several hundred $'s lately, seems fewer and fewer feel that a free sales section or instant and accurate translations is worth it. Oh well.

[Hokke]

10 hours ago, Bruce Pennington said:

This is not a WWII blade, Derek.  All I recognize is "Masa".  Have to wait for the real translators for the rest.

 

 

Hey Bruce, just for clarity, it wasn't Derek who labeled this as WWII, it was the OP. I understand your point though, that said, I agree with derek that it's important for folks to post in the appropriate forum based on their information and if it needs to be moved, it will certainly be moved. 

[Swords]

I appreciate the comment of being a gold member but I feel I still have a lot to learn And find time to read more

I agree with it being Muromachi Bizen era

The translation is my weakness 

This ChatGPT would save alot of time if I can figure out how to use it My daughters would help their more computer savvy 

Great info guys Thanks for sharing 
Any other opinions on which signature ?

 

 

I agree with Brian we should contribute more 

We wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for him 

 

 

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[When Necessary]

1 hour ago, Swords said:

I appreciate the comment of being a gold member but I feel I still have a lot to learn And find time to read more

I agree with it being Muromachi Bizen era

The translation is my weakness 

This ChatGPT would save alot of time if I can figure out how to use it My daughters would help their more computer savvy 

Great info guys Thanks for sharing 
Any other opinions on which signature ?

 

 

I agree with Brian we should contribute more 

We wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for him 

 

 

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Steve,

I think you kind of missed the point about 'contribute'. 
Brian is asking more people to become gold members to help the site financially.  But you've stated that you don't want to be a gold member for .... whatever reason.

Nor do I - but I don't then turn around and tell everyone they should contribute more when I'm unwilling to do so myself.

That's like talking the talk but not walking the walk.

 

As an aside, why do you agree with it being Muromachi era Bizen? I'm interested because I'd like to learn the specific characteristics.

[Rivkin]

Again my apologies for misdirection. I am at fault for not even looking at the original signature besides its overall style. After investing quite some time in AI tools (diffusion based photo enhancer, kantei tool, and chatgpt sdk auto-translate) I had very good success with them for a while... and then ofcoarse they fail miserably without warning.

Another challenge of our days, but first and foremost definitely my fault.

[Swords]

Thanks Rivken No need to apologize

 I misunderstood about becoming gold member to help the forum I would be honored Brian 

 

When necessary What makes you think I don’t want to contribute Seriously !! You know nothing about me!I And I don’t appreciate your negative comments about me

 

 

 

[Dereks]

On 10/6/2025 at 1:18 AM, Swords said:

If you’re tired of reading my post than don’t read them! The purpose of the forum is a learning tool for everyone but I do admit getting away lately 

 And I do contribute and plan on contributing more  to Brian as we should all

 

Go check your own forum activity. You’ve 44 pages of topics titled “WWII Japanese sword,” all just asking for comments on specific swords or translations of ones you found on eBay..

 

In every topic, when someone suggests something about a blade, you agree...like this particular example:

 

"I agree with it being Muromachi Bizen era"...

 

Why do you agree? Why does your topic say " WWII era Katana" then? Do you even know the difference?

 

You said, “The purpose of the forum is a learning tool for everyone.” I agree — then why don’t you comment on other topics and share your knowledge so others can learn from you? You are a member in this forum for nearly 5 years..I’m sure you’ve learned something by now...or did you?

 

I’m sorry, but one thing I can’t stand is people buying and selling something with zero knowledge and no intention to learn, while expecting others to do their dirty work for them. I find it very disrespectful.

 

Do your own research, share your findings, and ask if you’re on the right track — that way, maybe you’ll actually learn something.

 

And yes — either buy a membership or donate a dollar for every question you’ve asked so far...it would be the decent thing to do. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Swords]

 Rivken is right the blade is signed Soshu Ju Masamune. It is a fake signature.

[Swords]

Don’t give a crap what you think

Do me a favor stay off my thread Nobody likes a person who is cantankerous 

[When Necessary]

6 hours ago, Swords said:

Thanks Rivken No need to apologize

 I misunderstood about becoming gold member to help the forum I would be honored Brian 

 

When necessary What makes you think I don’t want to contribute Seriously !! You know nothing about me!I And I don’t appreciate your negative comments about me

 

 

 

Steve,

 

I'm not trying to simply make negative comments about you. If you recall, I recently congratulated you on finding a Yasukuni sword and I've complimented other Gunto you've bought in the past. However, you're absolutely right, I don't know anything about you so I can only base my comments upon your activity on the NMB.

 

As I stated (but then removed) in a previous comment, you are a regular poster but you contribute nothing to the forum beyond lots of (usually poor) pictures from eBay listings or similar. Even then, you only post when you want a translation or an opinion on a sword which you are thinking about buying. Unfortunately, if you do buy the sword based on the generous advice you get from this forum, you never, ever show it or even describe it again unless you are trying to sell it on.

 

You have never commented on other people's swords, or ventured an opinion about your own except to copy and paste the previous seller's description. Normally, you then just blindly agree with whatever others here have to say, shifting your opinion with each new comment. You always get very good feedback and answers on the NMB but you never seem to try and take anything on board as you repeatedly ask the same questions over and over. You say you have the books which people recommended you get to help you increase your knowledge (for example, Nagayama's 'The Connoisseur's Book of Japanese Swords') but you never refer to anything in them as a point of reference in your posts. 

 

You seem to want to be led by the nose each time for your own immediate gain (whether financial or otherwise I don't know) while contributing absolutely none of your own knowledge or experience to other discussions. You are 100% focused on you and your swords only - and you appear to regard this forum as some sort of free, personal appraisal group.

 

Can you really blame people for occasionally getting frustrated?

 

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by When Necessary
Reworded.

[John C]

Derek and D:

Please do not belittle another member. As a former educator, I can say that people learn in different ways and at their own pace. If someone isn't learning at the rate you think is acceptable, then Steve is right - just use the ignore button. That's why it's there.

And as for posting swords one is interested in, I cannot count the number of times someone has said after a bad purchase "they should have posted here first."

 

Just my two cents as someone who has seen this type of denigration far too many times. 'Nuff said.

 

John C.

[When Necessary]

35 minutes ago, John C said:

Derek and D:

Please do not belittle another member. As a former educator, I can say that people learn in different ways and at their own pace. If someone isn't learning at the rate you think is acceptable, then Steve is right - just use the ignore button. That's why it's there.

And as for posting swords one is interested in, I cannot count the number of times someone has said after a bad purchase "they should have posted here first."

 

Just my two cents as someone who has seen this type of denigration far too many times. 'Nuff said.

 

John C.

Hi John,

 

I find your defence of another member truly admirable but I should stress that I was not trying to belittle or denigrate Steve, only calling out the situation as I saw it.

 

Of course, everyone has completely different speeds of learning. However, if a teacher was asked the same question again and again and again, over and over and over, with absolutely no evidence of the student even bothering to use the method the teacher had previously given them to work out the answer themselves, then even the best educator in the world would eventually become frustrated and disheartened.

 

That is the point I was trying to make.

 

Dee

[PNSSHOGUN]

Agree with John C, ignore and move on. The last thing we want here is to discourage any members from sharing swords for opinion. Besides, at the rate he's going with returns and hijinks there won't be any dealers left for him to purchase from and the quandry will solve itself. 

[When Necessary]

Yes, I suppose the old adage is right; you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

[Brian]

Ok folks....calm down. Enough said.
Let's get back to doing what we do best, helping people who need it.
Steve, one thing I wanted to ask. That Yasukuni sword that you posted about a while ago. Did you buy it? If so...do you know exactly what you have there? Yasukuni is sort of the peak of many Gandaito, and if you did get it...then that would be a time I would stop for a bit buying other swords and focus on that one, and getting it into good condition and researching that one. Not sure if you realize that is like striking gold when collecting WW2 swords.
As far as supporting the forum goes. If you do want to, there are multiple ways.
Either a Gold membership from https://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/subscriptions/

Or look at the top of the forum for the donate link. You can use Paypal, credit card or even Wise bank transfer. In case you are so inclined.

Brian

[Swords]

I find it interesting that Derek’s can’t tell the difference between a Gendaitō or Koto sword lol As I already said a lot of my questions were about signatures which even experienced people have difficulty with

But I admit I posted  many questions about swords

I’m guilty as charged !

I will limited my questions and try to help others

Brian I didn’t get the yasukuni The seller removed it after he found out what he had

Anyway peace ☮️ and kindness our country needs it!

 

 

Steve

 

 

[Rawa]

30 minutes ago, Swords said:

I find it interesting that Derek’s can’t tell the difference between a Gendaitō or Koto sword lol As I already said a lot of my questions were about signatures which even experienced people have difficulty with

But I admit I posted  many questions about swords

I’m guilty as charged !

I will limited my questions and try to help others

Brian I didn’t get the yasukuni The seller removed it after he found out what he had

Anyway peace ☮️ and kindness our country needs it!

 

 

Steve

 

 

Mr Steve in my opinion posting different blades is good to forum overall. It keeps it with fresh source of dopamine. I encourage you to continue. We can see a lot of different blades and learn thanks to all goodminded members here. 

[Swords]

Thanks Rawa It’s good to hear a positive rather than all the negatives