wakiboy Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 Gentlemen A friend has recently acquired a blade signed Yoshihisa with a Seki stamp and dated 1942 it has an engraving of what he thought was a Minatogawa Jinja but the engraving varies at the bottom and I can’t find any info on a Minatogawa smith off that name…. Your opinion would be most appreciated.. Thank you Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonely panet Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 In the wrong place for a shrine sword. And smith names just as big a give away to the seki stamp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakiboy Posted April 11 Author Report Share Posted April 11 Hi H what do you think the reason would be for the engraving when the blade was made in =1942, too early to be a forgery ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan campbell Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 I looked at this sword last week, i consulted with 2 fellow members and we all concluded Fake . I emailed the auction house to see the tang, my reply , we can’t get the handle off !!! . Strange place for the Mon to be engraved, the orimono on the other side of the blade made no sense and £2k was miles too high to pay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakiboy Posted April 11 Author Report Share Posted April 11 I agree on all counts but my friend only told me about it after he picked it up, the problem I have is that I don’t understand it being faked while the war was still ongoing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebcannonshooter Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 Hi folks, just for clarification, The Kiku-sui mon was a popular symbol in Japan and was not exclusive to the Minatogawa Jinja. Both Gassan Sadakazu and Gassan Sadakatsu engraved this on numerous swords as did other smiths. It is possible that this was a WW2 engraving, although not of great quality.. Tom M. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan campbell Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 Hi Ian, it’s I suppose even during the war , Del Trotter sold swords. To our non UK members Google Delboy. That will explain my theory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakiboy Posted April 11 Author Report Share Posted April 11 Brendon I like your theory 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNSSHOGUN Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 23rd generation Kanefusa swords can be found with the Kikusui Mon in the same area. As stated before, not necessarily fake - but no relation to the Minatogawa Shrine swords. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John C Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 Ian: It looks as if there may be some writing or numbers just under the habaki. Are there pictures of that? John C. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakiboy Posted April 12 Author Report Share Posted April 12 Hi John I asked him for a picture under the Habaki and he said there is nothing except dark greasy marks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakiboy Posted April 12 Author Report Share Posted April 12 Hi John I didn’t know that about Kanefusa thanks for the update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROKUJURO Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 Brian, should this not be moved to the military section? This is NIHONTO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 Without seeing more of the sword and especially the nakago, it's really not possible to be evaluating this. I don't have any Yoshihisa on file with stamps, so I'd personally appreciate more photos if you can coach the friend on how to get the tsuka off. For the kikusui, it's the first one I've seen using a single line for the river. I do have one other blade with the kikusui on the blade. Unfortunately, I didn't record the source where I found it. Interesting that they are both on fullered blades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan campbell Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 Hi Bruce, here are the main 3 images the auction house had on their website. I hope you can see some more information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 Yes, looks interesting. Something Buddhist on the other side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANGBANGSAN Posted April 13 Report Share Posted April 13 On 4/12/2024 at 10:27 PM, Brendan campbell said: Hi Bruce, here are the main 3 images the auction house had on their website. I hope you can see some more information. Do you have the link to this sword? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANGBANGSAN Posted April 13 Report Share Posted April 13 Besides 湊川神社（Minatogowa Jinja）,四条畷神社(Shijonawate Jinja)in Osaka also uses 菊水紋( Kikusui Mon). Many families also adopt the Kikusui Mon as their crest. https://irohakamon.c...on/kiku/kikusui.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan campbell Posted April 13 Report Share Posted April 13 2 hours ago, BANGBANGSAN said: Do you have the link to this sword? Wessex Auction Rooms Westbrook Farm Draycot Cerne Chippenham Wiltshire SN15 5LH Located just off J17 of the M4 Tel 01249 720888 Email enquiries@wessexauctionrooms.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANGBANGSAN Posted April 13 Report Share Posted April 13 4 hours ago, Brendan campbell said: Wessex Auction Rooms Westbrook Farm Draycot Cerne Chippenham Wiltshire SN15 5LH Located just off J17 of the M4 Tel 01249 720888 Email enquiries@wessexauctionrooms.co.uk Brendan Thanks for the info on the auction house. but I can't find that sword, maybe because the auction ended? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan campbell Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 Hi Tristan, the pictures I sent Bruce, were the only pictures available. The description was very basic . A Japanese sword.!!!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volker62 Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 at the Kikusu to above the tang's hole 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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