Tsuba casting molds ?

[zanilu]

I have no more time to waste arguing with you Dan.

 

I will not play your game.

 

Luca

[Alex A]

Edit

 

Dont want to say what i want to say in case it upsets folks.

 

Horses for courses.

 

PS, for any newbies with their heads spinning by all this, go back to what Ford Hallam stated and stick with that. 

 

 

 

 

[Curran]

On 6/20/2025 at 8:10 AM, zanilu said:

 "Arrampicarsi sugli specchi" that is a figurative way of saying "arguing on the impossibile", in english should be something like "clutch at straws". 

 

"Arrampicar(si)"  . New verb to me.

I'd say "arguing with yourself in the mirror". [or beating yourself up in the mirror?]

 

I've long been tired of this thread.      I'll consult with Brian about locking it.

For now, posts stay up. I don't want to be censuring any more than I must.

--- Everyone go back to their corners and sit down  ---. Don't make me power up the cattle-prod.

 

[ROKUJURO]

Curran,

what a wonderful threat! 

[Dan tsuba]

No need to power up the cattle prod!

 

I started this thread, let me end it.

 

Then Brian can lock this thread.

 

So, what the nonbelievers of cast iron tsuba being made in the Edo period are saying is that there were no cast iron tsuba made until after the end of the Edo period (1868).  They are saying that no cast iron tsuba were made during the Edo period.

 

That means that all the craftsmen of tsuba got together and decided to wait until the end of the Edo period before making a cast iron tsuba and then they all said “yeah, let’s go ahead and make cast iron tsuba now”!

 

Come on.  Do you really believe that?

 

The more plausible explanation being that at least 40 years (just guessing here - and my guess is derived from other posts and references stated in this thread) before the end of the Edo period cast iron tsuba were being made.

 

Those cast iron tsuba could have been mounted on swords (as many old cast iron tsuba shown in this thread have sekigane in the nakago-ana or are shown mounted on swords) or they could have been made for the tourist trade.

 

The point being that cast iron tsuba were being made in the Edo period.

 

Now the administrator can lock this thread.

 

[Curran]

Locking threads should probably be reserved for when things totally go off the rails or get too troglodyte and troll.

 

This thread has gotten very long at 21pgs.

My personal opinion is that it has become a time sink hole.

I'd appeal to the fellow members here to move onto something else.

 

 

[DirkO]

Also letting either side have the last word as if it were a definitive conclusion might be a bad idea - ideally one of the admins would do a post summarizing the different views and then lock it. 

[Brian]

Then we get accused of censoring any potential future "findings" or evidence. Nah, leave it to slowly bury itself.

[Curran]

1 hour ago, Brian said:

Then we get accused of censoring any potential future "findings" or evidence. Nah, leave it to slowly bury itself.

 

I agree with Brian.

Any summarizing might get accused of auditing / censoring.

 

 

[zanilu]

Non ragioniam di lor, ma guarda e passa...

[Spartancrest]

I think this is the first [?] thread that has garnered so much response just from the idea of shutting it down! 

 

Non posso lasciar passare questo senza commentare . . .

PS. Why do people choose to write in languages that are one click away from Google translate? [You need to be more creative - how about Morse code?] 

 

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[ROKUJURO]

Dale,

I am not sure that so much traffic was caused by the wish to shut the thread down. In my opinion, it is more the concern of many responsible members that so much nonsense should not remain uncontradicted in an otherwise highly competent and specialized forum.

But I have come to the insight that the whole discussion has nothing to do with Japanese culture or TSUBA. It is a psycho-pathological thing about being perceived and accepted (even in the form of "friction"), but this forum cannot offer therapy.