Help Identity Our Mon.

[Bruce Pennington]

Here's a butterfly mon on a kaigunto, thanks @Kiipu, posted HERE.

[Atomic Logic]

any one have any clues on this mon? apart from the facing omodaka. i cant find anything in hawleys mon book.

 

[Kiipu]

Some more that I found on an old NMB thread.

Odd Mon

 

Left Column

進藤

江副

[Volker62]

need help to identity this Ka Mon

 

 

T'ks in advance

[Bugyotsuji]

Volker. Try Maru ni chigai kashiwa. 丸に違い柏　家紋

 

[Volker62]

match

 

thank you Piers!!!!

[Navy]

And this one? Maybe Abe family?

[The Blacksmith]

On 5/15/2024 at 2:39 AM, MaoriToa said:

Hi Guys hello from New Zealand, first time posting this is my shin gunto 98 with mon

 

I had a katana with the same mon, and which was also embossed on the leather combat cover of the saya. No doubt used by several families, Victor Harris at the British Museum suggested that it was possibly the Sakai family mon.

The sword that I had had a blade signed by Asano Kanezane complete with his kakihan. I do not recall if the blade was dated unfortunately. However, the blade though bearing his mei, I do not think was made by Kanezane, I think it was actually made by one of his students. I have had a couple of really beautiful blades by Kanezane, and this wasn't one of them.

[Bugyotsuji]

3 hours ago, Navy said:

And this one? Maybe Abe family?

Marzio, check out Maru ni (Tachi) Kaji no ha 丸に(立ち)梶の葉

Paper mulberry leaf

http://cts2.web.fc2.com/img/kaji.jpg

[SteveM]

2 hours ago, The Blacksmith said:

No doubt used by several families

 

Yes, its usually pointless to try to assign a mon to one specific family, unless you have a provenance for the sword (a surrender tag, etc...). 

 

Another site suggests this crest was used by the following families. Oddly enough, it lists neither Abe or Sakai as a possibility (but this list is not exhaustive);

 

佐野、金子、岡島、上原、梶、窪島、神、杉枝、中西、岩佐、貝瀬、大木、保科、中島、堀川、水上、原田、平山、山本、池原、小野、中山、田中、山本、中沢、有賀、梶川

 

https://irohakamon.com/kamon/kaji/marunitachikajinoha.html

[Navy]

Thanks, invaluable infos 🙌 

[Lareon]

Not a manji but an ura manji / swastika

 

I've seen it before from Hawley, I don't have his book but I've seen it once or twice before.

 

 

[Lareon]

Front cover actually 

Ive read that Suda Chikamitsu used the ura manji as his symbol but I've only one source on that.

 

[Bugyotsuji]

The Hachisuka family of Awa, Tokushima, were famous for this Kamon. One branch of the Hachisuka family used it in reverse. You can see examples of both in the Tokushima Prefectural Museum.

[Bugyotsuji]

17 hours ago, Lareon said:

Front cover actually 

Ive read that Suda Chikamitsu used the ura manji as his symbol but I've only one source on that.

 

That’s the reverse of the tsuba!

[Lareon]

4 minutes ago, Bugyotsuji said:

That’s the reverse of the tsuba!

ahhh of course it is Piers!
reminds me actually i read your post before on seeing a picture of a large navy with half of the ships Manji and half ura manji in a museum

the blade in question is in the following thread, so a WW2 era gendaito but the Koshirae I'm unsure.

 

[Pav]

Hi

Here is another one on fuchi on my first Shin Gunto.  Thanks to @Lareon  I know its a Kasai Three Oak leafs. Thanks Tony

 

[Bugyotsuji]

三つ柏 check out the famous Makino Daimyo family ‘Mitsu-gashiwa’ mon.

https://www.google.com/search?q=牧野氏　家紋&client=safari&sca_esv=a9f1afb3224ba41e&hl=en-gb&ei=2b1baIz3IPbq1e8P9rn0gQs&oq=牧野氏　家紋&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIhLniafph47msI_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&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp

 

[Pav]

Sorry confused now. Are those two different Mons or its the same Mon used by two families? I know Kasai clan split up in some period of history 

[SteveM]

16 minutes ago, Pav said:

the same Mon used by two families

 

Kamon are used by multiple, often unrelated families. Impossible to tell who owned a sword just by looking at the mon (unless it is an extremely unique mon, but even then you would want some corroborating provenance). 

[Pav]

Cool thank you very much

[Volker62]

need help to identify this Mon

 

 

many thank's

[Bugyotsuji]

Ken-katabami, = Katabami flower with ken blades.

剣片喰

[Volker62]

Tk's a lot Piers again

 

Sakai clan, i guess

[Toryu2020]

Aso known as the "Ronin's mon" used by unemployed samurai and many many different families...

[Bugyotsuji]

Ken katabami, Ukita.

The large Ukita contingent (who lost as part of the western forces at the Battle of Sekigahara in 1600) would surely have lost credibility post battle and become homeless ronin.