Nbthk Certificate For A Kozuka

[Kurikata]

Hi ,

 

I got a kozuka with a NBTHK certificate. Can someone translate the Kozuka description (Column 3 & 4 from the tight side)? Once translated, I'll post a picture of the Kozuka.

 

Thank you

 

 

[Kurikata]

No idea?

[SteveM]

素銅磨地　すあかみがきち　　Suaka migakichi

赤銅嵌込　しゃくどうはめこみ  Shakudō hamekomi

鋤出髙彫　すきだしたかほり  Sukidashitakahori

金色絵　　きんいろえ    Kin'iroe

 

Now... with that and a bit of google, you should be able to sort it out

[Kurikata]

Thank you Steve. Is it stated that the Kozuka is mumei ?

[Brian]

Wow..very nice, and quite unusual.

[John A Stuart]

The Hamegome is a Jiita from another Kozuka or Kogai, is it not? John

[MauroP]

Actually the paper say "mei (kin"in)", so the piece is signed, but the paper does not tell who is the maker.

Bye, Mauro

[John A Stuart]

Not so Mauro. 金印 Kinin refers to the gold seal. It is not a signature name. John

[Curran]

Not so Mauro. 金印 Kinin refers to the gold seal. It is not a signature name. John

Steve, Mauro, and John,

 

Thank you. I didn't know how to interpret that.

Given that this is one original piece inserted in another, yet the papers start off with "mumei", I wondered how to interpret that attribution as "gold mark" / "gold seal".

 

It is an interesting kozuka, and I would have been unable to guess how the NBTHK would paper it.

Now - - ->    I'm left not sure what they actually intend to say or not say. Were they intentionally vague?

[Pete Klein]

The paper does not say 'mumei' but 'mei' with the 'kinin' in brackets ( ) which means they recognize the kozuka as signed via the gold seal but that they don't know the name represented there.  It's definitely a different one.

[Curran]

The paper does not say 'mumei' but 'mei' with the 'kinin' in brackets ( ) which means they recognize the kozuka as signed via the gold seal but that they don't know the name represented there.  It's definitely a different one.

 

D'oh!   I had it in my head that it said 'mumei' and mentally confirmed it with a quick look not expanding the picture.

You're right- it does say 'mei'.

[Gunome]

Hello,

 

I am quite lost with your comments.

I understood that NBTHK papers guaranteed the mei when the item is signed and given an attribution when it is mumei.

Here there is a seal with kanji inside, they said signed with seal without detailing the name in the seal.

If they are not able to read the mei, how they can issue a certificated and guarantee the mei whereas they cannot read it ?!

gimei exist, why not false seals ?!

 

thanks

[Brian]

They are not guaranteeing the mei....that is not what papers do. They are certifying the work is genuine and worthy of preservation. As a side effect of that, they will certify if the signature is genuine or not, and fail the work if the signature is false, since then the entire work is not as claimed to be.
Since they are not saying what the mei is...there is nothing wrong with saying the work is worthy of preservation and genuine. The papers certify the item, not the signature in this case.
Oh..and I have a feeling that Morita san would be able to read that seal if he sees this.

[Kurikata]

Brian, Thank you for this very clear explanation as I had the same concerns as explained by Sébastien.I hope Morita San is around to be able to decypher such a seal.Thank you all of you for the interest shown for my kozuka.

[John A Stuart]

Something in this vein? 霊帆 Ryohan?? John

[Kurikata]

John,

 

That's a very interesting proposal. When googling translation of 霊帆, you obtain Rei Ho = Sacred sail.... Which is close the design on the Kozuka....

 

Would it only be by chance ?

 

Thank you any way.