Jean Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 Here is my last, last, last, last purchase. Next one my dear wife kills me It's a tanto, try to find the period, the era, the school, too difficult to find the smith. The sayagaki says it all. I add a few pictures, I have taken quickly before my wife comes back Length about 27,2 cm, motohaba 2,7 cm 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Posted March 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 Wow, 62 views and no answers as so far don't be shy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Klein Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 Of course you won't... (and I will never buy another book -- just ask Grey)! ROFLMAO!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Posted March 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 Pete, I had two answers, one by PM one by email, both to the same school so it is not so hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 Here is my last, last, last, last purchase I think this is what Pete was referring to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonely panet Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 as a noob, heres my go late kamakura, early nambochuko, Bizen tradition. and again maybe yoshii or osafune school????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jussi Ekholm Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 It's very fun exercise. I can't really participate as by trying to nail it down I ended up finding this tanto. So I guess I was kinda in right direction but I was still very far actually... In my case it was luck and not skill pinpointing it down. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Hi, Tsunemitsu, Bizen Province, Shoo Era, Ko Bizen School Best Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Posted March 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Thanks Paul, I missed the meaning of Pete's joke In fact, it is true up to a point. It will be one in and one out but after this tanto, I really don't know what I can get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Posted March 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 It is not Bizen. I give you an answer tomorrow night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Hi Jean It will be one in and one out but after this tanto, I really don't know what I can get I keep saying that toobut then realise that I have very few (if any) left that I would want to part with and if I did it would have to be for something very very special, so what I would get for what I parted with probably wouldnt cover the cost. I guess I will just have to be satisfied (and very grateful) for what I have managed to collect. I think the same is true for you too sorry I am hijacking the thread. You have already had my misguided thoughts on this one so I will watch with interest what others think. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Posted March 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Yes Paul, it is true for me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Attributed to Etchu Norishige, but it is an Uda tanto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Posted March 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Can't be attributed to Norishige, Markus, as it is signed according to the sayagaki. 3 kantei to Uda as so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Oh dear, I haven't looked at the first picture with the description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javier Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Hi Jean and colleagues please consider I am a beginner! My bet is Uda school too from Late Kamakura early Nanbokucho. Javier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim P Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Hi Jean, It had me thinking maybe Kyushu and Chikuzen Kongobyoe but then Uda is a not a bad bet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagamaki - Franco Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 http://nihontoclub.com/smiths/SUY62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Posted March 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Interesting answers, even a dozen in pm and a atari with a hint. A big hint: a member via pm that this sword made him thinks of Jitsua, I gave him a hint. In the Connoisseur's book of Japanese Swords, in one of the main tradition there is at the end of the chapter, the schools influenced by the tradition: Chikuzen predating Samonji. So you have the tradition, now which school and why. I think Barry can find it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwordGuyJoe Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 It is not Bizen. ...I am so bad at this... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 It reminds me of a naginata i saw by Jitsua, but I think that blade was Nambokucho so he may be a bit too late for the date so at first i thought Sairen, but with your hint maybe Ryosai or his brother Nyusai ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Posted March 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Ok guys, time for solution: Sukemitsu Senju'in, late Kamakura Here is a comment from Darcy on this jo saku smith: "... there are no signed tanto by this smith as far as I know. In fact, no tanto at all. There are three signed Juyo and one mumei tachi. One of the three signatures is a bit weak. The other two are strong like yours, and one of those two is the Tokuju one. The dated one that everyone refers to is not in the Juyo or Kokuho or Juyo Bunkazai, therefore it is Juyo Bijutsuhin. I've cataloged everything else. Certainly a Juyo candidate. Rare in the extreme to maybe being the only existing tanto by this smith. I saw this tanto before but it didn't register on me (and probably everyone else) how rare it was. I saw this horimono only on one other occasion. It's on a Juyo blade somewhere and I'll try to dig it up. But it is indeed a great example of Tanobe sensei using every piece of available space because something is rare and special." 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 That's the dated tachi btw, an ôdachi with a nagasa of ~ 97.0 cm. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagamaki - Franco Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Suggestions, thoughts, First, to myself, why do you succumb to participating? Secondly, stick with your first answer. Thirdly, when such challenges are presented, even just for fun, the presenter needs to honestly take their own test. Here, although there is some description about the hamon, without any word of nie or nioi, not to mention hamon activity, [makes it near impossible to determine from the images other than outright guessing by chance], it really leaves one hanging. So, please, paint a whole picture, go through the kantei yourself as the proof is in the details. And, finally, Jean, appreciate your sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 As an interesting, at least to me, aside when I first heard this was ko-Senjuin I was very surprised. The only other example I had seen was an image from many years ago of a long sword in the A Z Freeman collection and to be honest the hada looked nothing like this. Then by chance I was looking at Andy Quirt's site (nihonto.us) and he has a ko-Senjuin Daito where the hada has much in common with Jean's so I can start to see where the attribution came from. Picking up on Franco's point, when we were in Japan at Bob's evening event and doing kantei he handed out worksheets. I seem to remember one had been reproduced here. Can I suggest that if we do this in the future the person setting the kantei uses this sheet as a prompt to make sure the images and description supplies all the information needed to work to a conclusion. That way we can besure we dont overlook some vital piece of information and certainly in my case make up for generally less than perfect images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagamaki - Franco Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Paul, thank you for this latest reply as coincidentally the Quirt sword crossed my mind along with Tegai Yukimitsu. However, the lack of brightness combined with no wording or images of nie of any kind changed my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Posted March 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Sorry, I did not have time to hand over a kantei sheet, thus the title "Kantei for fun" but be reassured, this probably the last kantei I post before long Jacques who is still spying the NMB, though it is not worth a dime to his eyes, has just pm'd me saying: "ROFL, what a joke. And what kind of paper has this marvel?" Here it is, LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulb Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Jean please dont be put off either by suggestions which were made with good intention to enhance the experience or by our mutual friends negativity. To be honest I would begin to worry more if he had said something positive. I enjoyed sharing your sword and have learned something from the process. I need to look at Senjuin again with less preconceived ideas and a more open mind! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Posted March 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 I am not put off Paul , I am always ready to deliver additional information upon request, just have to ask BTW, I got one atari to the school (congrats Ray) and two dozen both to Yamato but different schools 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Klein Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Jean -- It's both nifty and peachy keen! You never cease to inspire me!!! Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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