Indian arrows look like japanese?

[Klop]

Hi All,

 

I saw these arrows, including one with a heart shape (boars eye) cut out. Professional seller says Indian, but I must say these tips look Japanese to me. Not that I am interested to buy, just curious. Any opinions?

 

http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos.php?id=6186

 

 

Best regards,

Eric K.

[Jean]

Eric,

 

They look very Japanese

[kusunokimasahige]

99.99999999 % Japanese.

 

KM

[Brian]

Someone scored a great deal.

 

Brian

[kissakai]

Hi Brian

I bought the arrow heads when Jean mentioned they likely to be Japanese

I'll put some images on the NMB when I get them as I'd like to know a bit more about them

Another 'score' for the NMB

 

 

Grev

[estcrh]

These appear to be kago ya, the small size and lack of flights (Indian arrows are universally missing flights for some reason) must have fooled Artzi who has a vast knowledge of Indo-Persian armor and weapons, we all make mistakes.

 

 

 

Arrows from India.

[Art Torano]

They look very Japanese, In fact I have some arrowheads that are Identical.....these are just remounted on shorter shafts.

 

Art

[Brian]

I think we can cease saying they look Japanese, and say "They are Japanese"

Not much doubt about that. Nice score. I saw the post too late. (turn on confirm all posts before publishing them?...hmmmmm..)

Enjoy.

 

Brian

[Klop]

glad I could be of service

 

To be honest I was thinking of a late edo /meiji decoration set because of small size and the rough filemarks, I'd expect "serious" arrows to be smoother.

 

Best regards,

Eric K.

[Stephen]

been a post somewhere where there for a boys game??? maybe its just the cyst on my brain...LOL something like that.

[Brian]

Good memory Stephen.

I don't think these are from that game, but here are the posts: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13543&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=150

Near the bottom. Also, in this thread: http://www.nihontomessageboard.com/nmb/ ... &start=105

 

Brian

[estcrh]

They look very Japanese, In fact I have some arrowheads that are Identical.....these are just remounted on shorter shafts.

 

Art

These arrows are not remounted, these are a specific type of Japanese arrow, they originally were part of a full set which included arrows, bow, and quiver. The bow is a small bow called kago yumi, kago hankyu, also known as a riman kyu after Riman Hayashi of Kii province who invented it. The kago yebira (quiver) was small as well.

 

You can see examples here of kago ya, kago yumi and kago yebira.

http://samuraiantiqueworld.proboards.co ... z33q5rqjxB

 

Full sized ya compared to a kago ya.

[estcrh]

been a post somewhere where there for a boys game??? maybe its just the cyst on my brain...LOL something like that.

Stephen, the game you mention could be played indoors, it used arrows with a flat head which were dipped in a white powder before shooting as to mark the target.

 

 

Modular indoor archery set with collapsible small bow (koyumi) and mato (target), used by samurai women to play a game (yokyu), The white powder was used to mark the tips of the arrows which were flat as a way to see how accurately an arrow was shot. Edo period woodblock print showing koyumi in use.

[Bugyotsuji]

There seem to be at least two types of games, the safer indoors ones and the outside ones at the Edo equivalent of arcade games, the latter with a more 'Western' shape of bow.

 

There was a form of gambling called 揚弓　あげゆみ Ageyumi which was considered morally corrupting by the authorities, and frequently prohibited on public noticeboards during the Edo Period.

[estcrh]

There seem to be at least two types of games, the safer indoors ones and the outside ones at the Edo equivalent of arcade games, the latter with a more 'Western' shape of bow.

 

There was a form of gambling called 揚弓　あげゆみ Ageyumi which was considered morally corrupting by the authorities, and frequently prohibited on public noticeboards during the Edo Period.

 

Piers, I keep reading something about prostitutes being involved with the archery game played by commoners?

 

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/origi ... 87b2b9.jpg

[John A Stuart]

I saw a chanbara that had as a focus one of these establishments. They catered to rich merchants and shop keepers primarily and provided not only wagering between contestants, but, available companionship made pliant with overpriced drink. The women were ostensibly there to assist with gamesmanship, however, many other games were played. The movie also showed the typical mama-san with the firm hand, demanding attitude and not much sympathy for the poor girls love life or broke punters. John

[Lee Bray]

Kind of like playing 'Connect Four' with a bar girl in Pattaya and drinking overpriced Heineken.

Apparently.

[bone]

I absolutely love this place.

[Shugyosha]

Kind of like playing 'Connect Four' with a bar girl in Pattaya and drinking overpriced Heineken.

Apparently.

 

Was curious enough to google this one only to find that it was in fact a game of Connect Four.

[kissakai]

Hi

I said in an earlier post that I bought these arrows and so have included some images

Earlier described as ‘Kago yumi have been described as being constructed with whale bone and horn’. These look to me to be bamboo (hollow) but not a bamboo I’ve seen before and very slight traces of feathers. The arrow head would appear to be forged but roughly finished and indication of a hamon.

 

Arrow head type 1 and 2

 

 

 

All arrows

 

 

This was part of the wrapping around the tang. It looks as if rice paper is wrapped around the tang until there is a tight fit to the shaft with the help of some twine whipping

 

 

It would be nice to hear any more comments as the images above show a lot more detail

 

 

Grev UK

[kissakai]

Hi

Is it worth replacing the feathers and if so any idea how to go about it

They look a bit bare

 

 

Grev UK