Ford Hallam Posted March 13, 2012 Report Posted March 13, 2012 Intriguing piece, Mike It appears to be a Hamano work stylistically and I really enjoy the work on the pine bark. I've seen another tsuba that looked very much to be Hamano style too but was signed Omori Teruhide also. I'd say judging from the quality of the workmanship and the subtle details and delicate expressive touches that this is a genuine work. A nice big and sharp image of the mei would be handy... so we can play spot the difference Although at least the last stroke on the the 4th kanji slopes down without a return hook...so that's good. Thanks for posting. regards, Ford Quote
kusunokimasahige Posted March 14, 2012 Report Posted March 14, 2012 Mike, what do you mean with memorex ? The only reference to memorex I can find is something about computer tape made by IBM... So is the question whether or not this tsuba is a digital image and not an existing one or what ? Dont understand. KM Quote
Brian Posted March 14, 2012 Report Posted March 14, 2012 Basically, real or gimei. Simple. And it's Mike, not Mark. Ignoring the mei, and just looking at the work itself, I would have to say shoshin. Whoever did it was very talented, and makes little sense for a top craftsman to copy the mei of another craftsman when he is this talented himself. Or am I wrong? Brian Quote
kusunokimasahige Posted March 14, 2012 Report Posted March 14, 2012 Thank you Brian !! Edited the name, sorry about that. KM Quote
christianmalterre Posted March 14, 2012 Report Posted March 14, 2012 Mike, i´d tend to say it´s not THIS Soshin per se/if Soshin-i guess it had ben published as such quality of workmanship would have ben known and published already those times/of course negotiations and research in regard of the iemoto system(modern expression here)this shop did run,in backmind...(further research by those from the "Kinko-Front" would certainly fruit here...)(?) Either way-this Tsuba is very certainly an intriguing workmanship,and in this very case an distinguishing between It is/or It is rather not-may,at least for myself here not bear that much importance. (despite the fact you do intend to commercialise it of course ) This Tsuba does hardly remind me on workmanship and quality Netsuke Carvers are known for-obviously this finesse is very rare to seen in any of those times Tsubashi-Traditions! Fascinating!(even,it´s not really mine stuff here as you know-so i will let word to those who know better than me here...) Christian Quote
Ford Hallam Posted March 14, 2012 Report Posted March 14, 2012 Hey Christian, i´d tend to say it´s not THIS Soshin per se/if Soshin-i guess it had ben published as such quality of workmanship would have ben known and published already those times/of course negotiations and research in regard of the iemoto system(modern expression here)this shop did run,in backmind...(further research by those from the "Kinko-Front" would certainly fruit here...)(?) So because it obviously very good quality and a fine work of art and you have not seen it published it must therefore be gimei? This is very faulty logic :? I'm afraid. There are a great deal of very major works by the finest artists that appear only in a few obscure publications or are documented in the pages of the NBTHK journals and might take years or browsing to find. For myself, after nearly 30 years, I'm still 'stumbling' on masterpieces I've not seen before. This area of study is really still in it's infancy and we have no complete catalogues of works of all the great and significant masters. Consider this, if the piece Mike had posted was signed by Otsuki Mitsuoki (just as an example) which catalogue of his works would you look to to see if it had been published? For that matter how many of his tsuba can you think of without referencing any books? Previously unpublished works by BIG names are regularly coming to light. regards, Ford Quote
christianmalterre Posted March 14, 2012 Report Posted March 14, 2012 Dear Ford Fault logic,well-perhaps?/perhaps not...? This whole field does get the more and more complicated the more you have learned and the more you have seen-but whom i tell this-LOL! Principally said,but-of course you are right. Let´s see how this Tsuba will go further... (one addition just so to clearify: please next time do read exactly what i wrote.-i did not write Gimei in sense of Gimei! I did but write: most probably Not THIS Soshin) Christian Quote
Marius Posted March 14, 2012 Report Posted March 14, 2012 @Ford I must say, Christian's unique wording makes his texts sometimes quite difficult to understand. :D @Chris Sorry old mate Quote
christianmalterre Posted March 14, 2012 Report Posted March 14, 2012 OK.Mariusz...O.K.! LOL! (you do get me each time.... ) Christian Quote
raiden Posted March 14, 2012 Author Report Posted March 14, 2012 Do you guys want more time? Also how can I post a pdf file? Mike Quote
docliss Posted March 14, 2012 Report Posted March 14, 2012 Might I ask Mike what is the source of his images? They are quite clearly outstanding examples and, if from his personal collection, fine, and please lets have some more. But if they are taken from another source I am not sure what is the point of this exercise. John L. Quote
John A Stuart Posted March 14, 2012 Report Posted March 14, 2012 Very good rendition, but, my bid would be 'memorex' or not by Teruhide. John Quote
raiden Posted March 14, 2012 Author Report Posted March 14, 2012 The tsuba is mine, certified and will probably be submitted to this years Juyo shinsa if not sold (or if I decide to sell it...still thinking) Ford you are correct that it is genuine! I am going to try to post for downloading a pdf file that I did for the Nanka Token Kai last week later as soon as i can get it small enough........ I have decided to share this set of lecture notes with everyone if the download thing works.....Then other info for this will be posted after I finish it. Mike Quote
raiden Posted March 14, 2012 Author Report Posted March 14, 2012 Mike, what do you mean with memorex ? The only reference to memorex I can find is something about computer tape made by IBM... So is the question whether or not this tsuba is a digital image and not an existing one or what ? Dont understand. There was an old commercial that basically said that memorex tapes were so good, you couldn't tell it from the real thing so the slogan " is it real or is it memorex" was born.... sorry a bit of nostalgia. In this case, there were many excellent carvers that forged masters signatures very well, and the workmanship while not quite masterwork, was very good in some cases. Quote
John A Stuart Posted March 14, 2012 Report Posted March 14, 2012 Mike, I'll show why I was thinking not Teruhide, obviously not the correct answer. The 'teru' kanji is differently rendered. The work itself was not a clue against. John Quote
Brian Posted March 14, 2012 Report Posted March 14, 2012 Mike, I've upped the file size limit for pdf's to 5 megs. If you need more let me know, Brian Quote
Pete Klein Posted March 14, 2012 Report Posted March 14, 2012 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorex Not that it makes a beans difference but the line was, "Is it live or is it Memorex"? I was a recording engineer way back then so I remembered the add well. I miss Miss Ella too... . Quote
kusunokimasahige Posted March 14, 2012 Report Posted March 14, 2012 Does look like a tsuba somewhat.... :lol: Sorry Brian, couldnt resist... Back on topic. KM Quote
raiden Posted March 14, 2012 Author Report Posted March 14, 2012 nope got a message file size is over 2 mb , but cyrus uploaded it to the site: http://tetsugendo.com/OmoriArticle.html Quote
Brian Posted March 16, 2012 Report Posted March 16, 2012 Many thanks to Mike for the following file: Brian Omori.pdf Quote
raiden Posted March 17, 2012 Author Report Posted March 17, 2012 Since there are far more gimei examples of Omori Teruhide, I thought since I had several genuine examples at hand to do a litle report and show everyone how great the works of this school are when right. When they are masterworks, the level of quality is very high, and after studying in hand with proven examples, one can see the difference between master work and student work/ or fake signed from another school. I may do the lecture about signature differences (Teruhude) that I did for the LA club in chicago...I am thinking now. Quote
Brian Posted March 17, 2012 Report Posted March 17, 2012 Awesome, especially for those of us who can't make it to the regular sword shows. Although online pics are no substitute for seeing them in hand, great quality is readily apparent in good photos, and teaches the difference between mediocre and great. Brian Quote
myochin Posted March 17, 2012 Report Posted March 17, 2012 Many thanks Mike for sharing your knowledge and for your time, much appreciated. Paul. Quote
Brian Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 If anyone got a message that the Omori pdf was corrupt and couldn't be opened, I have uploaded a new version. Brian Quote
Baka Gaijin Posted March 18, 2012 Report Posted March 18, 2012 Thanks Mike and Cyrus. Amazing quality. Cheers Quote
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