Questions about a (Gunto?)

[MacTheWhopper]

I recently purchased a couple of swords from a seller online, He had mentioned that he had two more available for sale. I am out of my league in alot of this stuff but thought maybe I could post some pictures and see what the group thinks of them. I posted the first sword in the ninhoto forum as I thought it might be a traditional sword. This one seems to be a bit newer but I I think it is a military gunto. I can get more pictures tomorrow if that will help. The guy said the blade is unsigned on this sword. Any help is greatly appreciated. 

[David Flynn]

Bad news, it's a Chinese Knock off.

[MacTheWhopper]

Well I am glad that I hadn't purchased it, yet. I did look on on the tsuba, tsuka and saya and it seemed to look off to my eyes. Thank you so much for letting me know this. I am hoping that the other blade will turn out to be real as I really like the look of it.

[raaay]

sorry 100% fake

[Stephen]

Same same as other one posted.

[vajo]

100% fake as others said. Sorry.

[IJASWORDS]

I hate seeing these. They make me sick! Glad you checked with the forum guys! 

[Kiipu]

On 1/16/2020 at 11:42 PM, MacTheWhopper said:

This one seems to be a bit newer but I think it is a military gunto.  I can get more pictures tomorrow if that will help.

 

I am fairly certain this sword was made in China during World War 2.  The late Bob Coleman even stated as such.  In my opinion, there were a couple of factories making these.  Later on, the design evolved into the 應刀 [emergency sword] for Japanese use.  I think @Shamsy has one of these later versions.  Unfortunately, this particular sword seems to have had the brass work polished.

ww2 sword?, Post #18

[Shamsy]

Correct, Kiipu. There were swords made in China during WW2 for collaboration forces. There is a very good version that I've seen with a distinct style or pattern, a decent blade and well made koshirae. It has been discussed on this forum many times over the years and I used to have one myself with an inscription to a captain and from (what I think was) the 'Ministry of defence, China'. I'd find the photo, but honestly, I'd just be doing what I have already done dozens of times when this discussion pops up.

 

Now, to this sword. This is the other, far cruder version that was kicking around in some number at a similar time. While I am certain of the veracity of the aforementioned sword being a Chinese made collaboration sword, the example in this thread I have little information about, other than they have been around a long time, were near identical in make between swords and were lumped with the Chinese wartime swords years ago in a few threads of dusty forums.