John A Stuart Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Interesting. I had thought that they were guardians for Buddhist temples etc.. but, I guess when introduced from the mainland were adopted by the Shinto faith as well as being already identified with the newer imported Buddhist faith. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted April 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Thank you, Koichi san. The Taiko with Mitsu-domoe Mon. The skins are flabby, and one side has a small hole in it. There is something rattling around inside (like Ian's!). It would really need to be completely recovered in new skins, but it still looks pretty good to me as as a decoration, so I plan to keep it this way. (The wife is not convinced. She doesn't want it in the house.) The wood rim is fine, and the iron byo and three iron rings are in good condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanB Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Piers, As promised the images of my drum. The tassel was picked up in a flea market in Tokyo for the princely sum of 500 yen. I also include the pictures of the wash-tub lid. It must have been fabulous in its day but is now a sad relic. Ian Bottomley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kusunokimasahige Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 still beautiful to me, all of them!! how is the sound? KM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanB Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 All, On a completely new tack is something I have treasured for about 20 years. I bought it from a great guy who used to run a Japanese antiques shop in San Francisco. Its made of Dutch leather, which was shipped to Nagasaki in the 18th century, but could be a bit older. When it was made into the pouch I do not know but it is now a bit fragile. The clasp is what got to me. The two kamon made me think it might be a wedding thing but I'm not sure. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Piers i know this dont count for much, but id leave the drum just like you found it, i like the old look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John A Stuart Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Hi Ian, I like the nagadodaiko, especially the design. The pouch, is it not a tobacco pouch? Of course you usually see them with the pipe case, but, it does look similar. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanB Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 John, No you are right. There are no holes in the edge for suspension of the pouch. It is also much bigger than the sagemono pouches. My guess is that it is for carrying documents, tucked into the kimono. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted April 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Henk-Jan, I have banged it a few times, and it makes that sort of sound, but the wife grimaced. Stephen, it's a bit late now, hahaha :lol: The paint is a non-gloss water-based paint and looks fine, so apart from the general light clean-up I have left the work almost reversible if necessary. Ian, many thanks for the pics. Your taiko is magnificent. The wash-tub lid (?) is fascinating. Are you sure that's what it was? Not a lacquer tray? As to the bill-fold/hold, it's Kinkarakawa, isn't it. Quite valuable even today. The double Mon could be what you say, or it could be the two Ura and Omote Mon of a family made up like that as a special order. As you can see in the below photos, there are two Netsuke with Mitsu-domoe Mon, the bone one in the shape of a drum like yours, and the other in ivory with a silver centre/center. The two pouches are kinkarakawa, with the one on the left having a brass tang for slipping behind the belt and possibly being part of a soldier's equipment. The one on the right is a fold like yours with no holes or anything. In the back outside section was a wad of folded Washi paper (see photo) as though for writing or drawing or poetry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanB Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Piers, Despite the name the leather is in fact Dutch. Years ago I was walking around the Rijkes Museum in Amsterdam and came across a wall covered in the stuff. Even more interesting was that it was the exact pattern of leather as on the front of an armour of mine. After a chat with the leather curator, he took me up to his office / studio in the rafters of the building and there was the original wooden mould that design was made in. The process involved pressing wet sheepskins into the mould. When dry, selected parts were covered with tin foil and then coated with orange coloured varnish so that it looked gilded. The rest was then painted with oil based paints. When stretched on a frame, like a painting, it was used in place of wood panelling. It was also used for furniture and the like. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kusunokimasahige Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Great to hear!!! yes the Dutch used that as wallpaper, as well as embroidered cloth. Love those stories!!! keep m coming! KM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted April 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Agreed with Henk-Jan above. What an interesting discovery. Thanks for passing this on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Piers, got something for you. Sorry for the cellphone camera bad quality but while I was visiting the exposition my reflex was in the (dangerous) hands of my wife to take pictures of my children horseriding. :lol: The catalogue (recommended) has a much better picture but I know the curator and wantn't be disrepectful to his work (Giuseppe, whish you forgive this) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 And this is for Ian (same as above. Giuseppe, the beers I owe you now are 2)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanB Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Carlo, Thank you for that. A very strange set. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 A very strange set. The bow has been cut out from the pic. It's small, possibly to play indoor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzo Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 As Giuseppe told us during the guided visit at the museum, that was a bow carried inside the carriage as difense while traveling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Hi Lorenzo. Not read the captions of the catalogue yet. Effectively it's small but not as the usual ones for indoor play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanB Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Carlo, Lorenzo, It is a kago hankyu or Riman kyu, so-called since it was invented by Hayashi Riman. The bows are almost always of baleen. What I found odd was the large and exotic shape of the carrying frame. They are usually much smaller and compact - there wasn't much room in a kago. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Thanks Ian. Just found on Samurai Archives (posted there as a joke) : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted April 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Hi Carlo, thanks for the thought! I wonder if those musket related bits are not new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Hi Carlo, thanks for the thought! I wonder if those musket related bits are not new? I'm at work now and based in my second house in Venice for the night, so no catalogue available to watch at the period of Edo they belongs to. Guess Lorenzo, if read this, can give a more quick reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 More about cats and mices contemporary armor http://jeffdeboer.com/Galleries/Catsand ... fault.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzo Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 in my second house in Venice You bugger I wonder if those musket related bits are not new? XIX century Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John A Stuart Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 This is how I translate it. KAGO-HANKYU End of Edo period A kago hankyu and one yumi-dai for travel, of dimensions adapted for being transported inside of a palanquin. It includes a bow and some arrows. This is a rare copy and signed Kobayashi Masaoku. The three kamon used together that decorate the surface, were used by some branches of the Matsudaira clan during the first decades of XIX th century. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Lorenzo, as you can see John used Santa's reindeers to pick up a copy... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted May 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Nothing to do with reindeer, I wot, but here are this week's mystery objects. Picked them up at the antiques market, but the seller scratched his head. The two scythes (Length 16 cm) appear to be made of some dark wood, like Shitan or Kokutan? The other is made of... bone? (L 18 cm) Some ideas were suggested as to what they are, but what do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 i don't know about the sickles, but the second object makes me think of a needle used to repair fisher nets (could be made from whale bones). Wild guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted May 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 i don't know about the sickles, but the second object makes me think of a needle used to repair fisher nets (could be made from whale bones). Wild guess Jean, you could be right on either count. Whale bone sounds good to me. Someone who knows quite a lot about old J customs offered a different suggestion and conferred with an old customer who then agreed with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 OPers Wrote :you could be right on either count. One being the wild guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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