jason_mazzy Posted December 31, 2015 Report Posted December 31, 2015 Is there a name for the type of koshirae where they add fish bones under the lacquer and polish it down? Anyone know a restoration specialist who works in this style? Quote
SAS Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 I have seen it done with pine needles, but not fish bones....sorry i can't be of much help but at least i am not ignoring you lol Happy New Year! Quote
Greg F Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 Hi Jason, any pics of this style? Greg Quote
Grey Doffin Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 Below are pictures form Zuikan: Toso no Subete by Kokubo Kenichi, showing what I've been told are fish vertibrae in the lacquer. I had to break the text over 2 pictures to make it readable (I hope); maybe someone can translate for us. I've been told that this book discusses koshirae over time and which kodogu you would expect to find with which other kodogu in a given period. If so, I think it would be great if the book were translated so we could read it and maybe that would prevent the breaking up of period koshirae. Grey 1 Quote
b.hennick Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 Fish scales I think not vertebra. Quote
SteveM Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 Yes, the book entry calls it "sturgeon han-dachi koshirae". Sturgeon in Japanese is 蝶鮫 (chōsame or chōzame) which literally translates as "butterfly shark", so-called because the scales resemble butterfles. Quote
Guido Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 Jason, that's same which was lacquered black and then polished flush - kurourushi togidashisame 黒漆研出鮫. 1 Quote
jason_mazzy Posted January 2, 2016 Author Report Posted January 2, 2016 Yes it appears so, however many pieces have broken out and it is all lacquer with free floating pieces of calcium of substantial size. nearly a centimeter in size and no skin attachment. I am of the belief that the skin (leather) portion of the ray skin has disappeared and it is just polished down nodules and lacquer. Quote
Johnny Barracuda Posted January 5, 2016 Report Posted January 5, 2016 I concurr. I am not sure whether sanded, polished and lacquered same can be fixed, because, as you pointed out, it consists mainly in sanded nodules held together with lacquer. Unless a craftsman can add similarly worked nodules and fill in with lacquer, it would have to be fixed with synthetic components. Anyway, supposing that you can find a skilled craftsman proficient in lacquerware, in my experience a traditional restoration of Japanese lacquer is very expensive. I am not sure it is worth it. Quote
Baka Gaijin Posted January 6, 2016 Report Posted January 6, 2016 Similar process to Shagreen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shagreen Quote
Johnny Barracuda Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 of Similar process to Shagreen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shagreen Sadly, as many Wikipedia articles, it is both incomplete and imprecise. Such an odd mix of very precise information and BS can be misleading. This is not helped by the fact that the notion of "shagreen" in English can cover either the French definition of "chagrin" (i.e. a specific kind of leather) or rayskin/sharkskin, whose definition is covered in French by the word "galuchat". One has to admit that rayskin is very different from horseback leather. Therefore, if one wants to be precise, the words "rayskin" or "sharkskin" should be preferred to shagreen, or the word "galuchat" should be used. 2 Quote
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