F/K mon

[Jean]

One of my friends is mounting a daisho of Sukenaga. He has a daisho of F/K and would like to know to which family belong these mon

[kusunokimasahige]

Jean, the Swastika mon was used by Tsugaru Nobuhira in 1610 :

 

http://wiki.samurai-archives.com/index. ... aki_castle

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsugaru_Nobuhira

 

as well as Hachisuka Iemasa who died during the Shimabara revolt in 1638.

 

 

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=10789&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=15

 

I am looking for the other mon but have not found it yet.

 

A close up would help

 

KM

[Bugyotsuji]

Try following Hanabishi Mon.

[christianmalterre]

for your´s friend,in case of interest?

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRADITIONAL-EDO ... 672wt_1396

 

Chris

[edzo]

Hi Guys,

I think the direction of this mon is opposite that of the swastika. It has a budhist meaning. Its on Hachisuka's grave monument. The Hachisuka lineage I believe ended in the late 1950s, his compound was sold to the Austrailian Government and is used as an embassy now in Tokyo. I think he lived in Awa. Ed Edit: I just wanted to add there are maybe 12 variations used by others.

[Baka Gaijin]

Morning Jean

 

Can you get a sharper image please, I'm with Piers on this, the Leaf Kamon looks like either Hanakaku, Hanabishi or its varient Oni Hanabishi. (I found Baba I using something like a four pointed leaf without a Maru.)

 

http://www.samurai-archives.com/crest1.html

 

 

Try Kawari Manji for the Swastika, for a few varient forms go to the bottom of this page:

 

http://www.tozandoshop.com/v/vspfiles/k ... cter1.html

 

I agree with Edward F. , is the Swastika actually Kamon or a Buddhist symbol, maybe some kind of rebus?

 

Cheers

[Jean]

Thanks Guys, I'll ask him

 

Edit to say, I have 2 other pictures :

[sanjuro]

I may be wrong here, but the four lobed design was used by Takeda Naito and Naoe clans. The swastika was used by Hachisuka and also I think by the Shimazu. Samurai archives gives all but the Shimazu which is unlisted.

[Bugyotsuji]

The paperwork suggests 'Manji and Hanabishi Mon'.

 

As we have discussed here before, both versions of the swastika were used by related clans in the Awa Tokushima area. I am away from my books at the moment, Jean, but can you check Hachizuka and find out what their Ura Mon was/were? (Love the F/K BTW)

[John A Stuart]

Hi Jean, Your friend may be interested in this. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/TRADITIONAL-EDO- ... 3373809c72

[Jean]

Thanks John,

 

Christian had already posted the link. I have send it to my friend and he is going to put two guys on it

 

Thanks a lot guys, he'll be happy :D

[DirkO]

Jean,John,

 

Isn't the swastika the other way around on the kozuka?

[Jean]

right Dirk

[Ian]

Isn't the swastika the other way around on the kozuka?Isn't the swastika the other way around on the kozuka?

 

That’s very odd mine go the same as Jeans friend

 

 

BTW

 

If he is interested in the kozuka, it is for sale!

 

Regards

[edzo]

Hi all,

Just as a follow-up to my previous post regarding this as a possible Hachisuka kamon, I would add that it seems to lack the boldness of his kamon which can be seen on his burrial monument in awa on the internet if you google. I also wanted to share some variants in a book that i own which was block printed and published in March of 1895. see attached. I don't know what the book is other than some sort of reference maybe for a seamstress???, would be nice to know i guess. Ed F

 

Edit, this is a kamon I researched about a year ago and concluded was a Hachisuka Kamon. Third photo

2nd Edit, I just wanted to add that the symbol was introduced to Japan around 542AD with budhist religion and represents Budha's heart".

[runagmc]

Ed, that looks like an interesting book. Some of those designs, I wouldn't have even recognized as swastika...

[edzo]

Dear Adam,

I picked it up some years ago but am still uncertain what it's purpose is. It is devided into four sections which include design layouts including mons, mons, nengo and what I think are visual scenic themes. There are over 2,000 mon in it. Do tou know what the titles or subtitles in the blocks translate to? Ed,

[k morita]

Hi,

The book title is:

"Iroha biki hayami moncho taisei" 以呂波引早見紋帳大成

Quickly search for "Mons" .

Late Edo period book.

[Jean]

Thanks Morita sama

[edzo]

Thanks guys been away, elderly parent care called, there in Florida.