What kind of info is usually on a japanese artgoods permit?

[jason_mazzy]

I had recieved a sword from japa, and the gentleman was nice enough to include a copy of the Japanese permit. Do the permits say anything about the actual sword?

[Mark]

if the sword is signed they will say what the mei is (not if it is genuine - just what it says), it will also state the nagasa (lenth of cutting edge), i think that is about all it says about the blade

[cabowen]

The torokusho, or registration license, has the length, sori, and mei, if any, on the blade. It has the date and prefecture of when the sword was originally registered. If the registration number is in red, it means the sword was licensed when reimported to Japan. It must always be with the sword and is surrendered to the Ministry of Education when the sword is exported.

[Bugyotsuji]

Chris, he was given a 'copy' of it.

[DirkO]

Hi Jason,

 

If you want to do some light reading on the subject :

 

http://www.jssus.org/nkp/japanese_sword_laws.html

 

It's an article by Guido Schiller who's not a stranger to this forum

[Stephen]

Guido Schiller who's not a stranger to this forum

 

but who has been lately :?

[k morita]

Hi,

Mr.Guido Schiller is in Beijing China now. :D

[Nobody]

......... If the registration number is in red, it means the sword was licensed when reimported to Japan. ..............

I know that such a theory is sometimes believed. However, that is not correct, though I do not know the exact meaning of red numbers. The attached picture shows a Torokusho with a registration number in red. The Torokusho was issued to my wakizashi in 1998. The wakizashi had been in Japan until I found it in my relative’s house and I applied for its registration.

[cabowen]

I understood that Jason had a copy, just giving some background....

 

I was told by a shinsa team member at the shinsa at the Tokyo post office that red meant imported. Perhaps he was misinformed....Or perhaps you licensed the sword at the Tokyo Post Office shinsa and they thought it was imported? In any case, not that important...

 

One other thing the torokusho includes is the number of meguki-ana.....forgot to mention that....

 

Hope that helps Jason...

[Nobody]

....Or perhaps you licensed the sword at the Tokyo Post Office shinsa and they thought it was imported? ...............

No, I registered my wakizashi at a usual Toroku-shinsa-kaijo held by the Tokyo Prefectural Education Board in the Tokyo Metropolitan Office. I myself brought it with its Hakken-todoke which had been issued by the local police.

[k morita]

Hi,

I called to the Tokyo Prefectural Education Board in the Tokyo Metropolitan Office today.

They said the red numbers on Torokusho is quite unrelated to the import. :D

[cabowen]

Hi,

I called to the Tokyo Prefectural Education Board in the Tokyo Metropolitan Office today.

They said the red numbers on Torokusho is quite unrelated to the import. :D

 

Good to know the truth behind this.

 

Did they say what they are related to?

[k morita]

hi,

Though about ten years of the start of the system were blues,All the numbers are reds now. (Tokyo)

No related to, only RED.

[cabowen]

Haven't they also been black?

[k morita]

Haven't they also been black?

 

 

Hi, I also confirmed this.

They said that they had not used the black.

[cabowen]

Haven't they also been black?

 

 

Hi, I also confirmed this.

They said that they had not used the black.

 

I am pretty sure I have seen black numbers before...maybe they were on torokusho from other than Tokyo....