Yasukuni strikes back.

[Rawa]

Then Yasutoku

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/205719402_ww-ii-Japanese-katana-morristown-nj

 

Now Yasunori

https://ebay.us/m/mbgYo3

 

Caveat emptor. It dsn't look as professionally repolished. Yasutoku/Yasunori? Is this "upgrade" validates jump from 2500 to 7500? 

Edited Thursday at 10:46 PM by Rawa

[PNSSHOGUN]

Kajiyama Yasunori is often read as Yasutoku. 

[Rawa]

25 minutes ago, PNSSHOGUN said:

Kajiyama Yasunori is often read as Yasutoku. 

Thank you John.

It was explained to me before as I was compering mei in Tom Kishida's "The Yasukuni swords" book [page 14 and 61] and on "The world of Yasukunito" site. 

Example for Yasutoku on site is exact same as on page 14 [Yasunori] in a book.

I made this thread for opinion about what was done with this blade after previous auction. 

Edited Friday at 12:27 AM by Rawa

[When Necessary]

Why on earth would a Yasukunito have two mekugi-ana?

[Rawa]

5 hours ago, When Necessary said:

Why on earth would a Yasukunito have two mekugi-ana?

What date is on nakago? 

[When Necessary]

2 hours ago, Rawa said:

What date is on nakago? 

What does that have to do with two mekugi-ana?

 

You really do have to some research on Yasukunito, old boy.

 

Yasutoku left the Yasukuni shrine in 1941 and returned home to Hiroshima Prefecture. He then signed either 'Ujimasa' or 'Daito Masamune' until 1945. He never returned to sword making after the war - ergo, any of his swords signed 'Yasutoku' and found in gunto mounts should only have a single mekugi-ana.

[Rawa]

12 minutes ago, When Necessary said:

What does that have to do with two mekugi-ana?

 

You really do have to some research on Yasukunito, old boy.

 

Yasutoku left the Yasukuni shrine in 1941 and returned home to Hiroshima Prefecture. He then signed either 'Ujimasa' or 'Daito Masamune' until 1945. He never returned to sword making after the war - ergo, any of his swords signed 'Yasutoku' and found in gunto mounts should only have a single mekugi-ana.

Dee I asked for date translation not for knowledge from "woy" site. And there is an info that he left in Showa 15 so 1940.

Edited Saturday at 03:29 PM by Rawa

[When Necessary]

7 minutes ago, Rawa said:

Dee I asked for date translation not for knowledge from "woy" site. And there is an info that he left in Showa 15 so 1940.

You're right, he left in 1940 because of his ill son who himself left in 1941 and died in 1942. Sickness and death always makes me mix my years up. I must be getting maudlin and sentimental. 😢

My point was just the two mekugi-ana- pure and simple.

 

So, as I'm not your lackey  -I suggest that, as you have such a bee in your bonnet about the exact date on the nakago, you should get up off your arse and do a bit of research in the very helpful kanji resource section at the bottom of the main site index.

 

Run along and have fun! 👋

 

[Rawa]

Just now, When Necessary said:

You're right, he left in 1940 because of his ill son who himself left in 1941 and died in 1942. Sickness and death always makes me mix my years up. I must be getting maudlin and sentimental. 😢

My point was just the two mekugi-ana- pure and simple.

 

So, as I'm not your lackey  -I suggest that, as you have such a bee in your bonnet about the exact date on the nakago, you should get up off your arse and do a bit of research in the very helpful kanji resource section at the bottom of the main site index.

 

Run along and have fun! 👋

 

I don't like being involved in any drama. 

You all treat those blades like being superior then any other RJT or gendaito.

[When Necessary]

4 minutes ago, Rawa said:

I don't like being involved in any drama. 

You all treat those blades like being superior then any other RJT or gendaito.

Aw, you're just annoyed because you want one.

[Rawa]

Just now, When Necessary said:

Aw, you're just annoyed because you want one.

You must be really deeply disturbed one. I'm posting many different swords. So I want them all? 

[When Necessary]

12 minutes ago, Rawa said:

You must be really deeply disturbed one. I'm posting many different swords. So I want them all? 

'Sticks and stones....'

I don't profess to know what you want, I honestly don't wish to know what you want. 
So, let's make this little chat a one-off, shall we?

I'll not directly engage with you when we both comment on the same thread and I would appreciate the same consideration from you.

Goodbye.

 

[Bruce Pennington]

16 hours ago, When Necessary said:

Why on earth would a Yasukunito have two mekugi-ana?

 

Isn't it as simple as the blade was re-fitted along the way?  

[When Necessary]

13 minutes ago, Bruce Pennington said:

 

Isn't it as simple as the blade was re-fitted along the way?  

Usually yes Bruce, but, to repeat what I said earlier, Yasutoku left the Yasukuni shrine in 1940 and returned home to Hiroshima Prefecture. He then signed either 'Ujimasa' or 'Daito Masamune' until 1945. He never returned to sword making after the war - ergo, any of his swords signed 'Yasutoku' and found in shingunto mounts should only have a single mekugi-ana.

A Showa blade in wartime mounts with two mekugi-ana usually indicates a later 'bubba' modification during a mix and match.

[Brian]

Unless it was first in civilian mounts, and only after put into military mounts?
Not sure if any smiths at Yasukuni did private sales or if everything was for wartime issue

[lonely panet]

oh look

[Mark]

the second hole does not look like made by a "bubba"  looks properly done.  This was made early (1936).  Maybe tachi vs katana placement?  Maybe made for 94 and mounted in 98.  Maybe standard but mounted in "custom" gunto mounts.  Could be a bunch or reasons. I don't think it is a big deal but that is in the eye of the individual.  

 

mark

[When Necessary]

'Type 94 converted to type 98' - when the the 94 was superior in its koshirae.

'Civilian to military' when the Yasukuni swords forged at the shrine were specifically made for military officers.

A Taketoku signed blade (thus made outside the shrine and not subject to its strict parameters) of unusual length with a back up mekugi-ana near the butt of the equally long nakago.

 

Yeah whatever - make up as many reasons as you want for a glaring anomaly. Who knows, maybe the aliens who were designing Hitler's flying saucers asked for a Yasukunito with an extra hole they could probe?

 

[Bruce Pennington]

19 hours ago, When Necessary said:

specifically made for military officers.

One thing that you learn after hanging around World War II swords is the phrase “never say never, never say always with World War II swords“.