ROKUJURO Posted September 27 Report Posted September 27 Might well be a good sword but on these photos there is no detail that I could see. Quote
Geraint Posted September 27 Report Posted September 27 Dear Steven. What makes you think it is Koto? All the best. Quote
Swords Posted September 27 Author Report Posted September 27 I will try and get better pictures I’m going by Koto because it’s in description and by the looks of the age look of the tang although I could be wrong Quote
Swords Posted Sunday at 12:19 AM Author Report Posted Sunday at 12:19 AM Are there any others they can chime in ? Quote
David Flynn Posted Sunday at 01:49 AM Report Posted Sunday at 01:49 AM Steve, may I suggest you acquire the book, Craft of the Japanese sword. What you appear to be lacking is, the ability to "Look into a Sword". Learn what features are desirable in each tradition. On the sword above, looks Shinto to me and of not very high quality. 3 Quote
Swords Posted Sunday at 01:27 PM Author Report Posted Sunday at 01:27 PM David I have that book Just need to read it more extensively Quote
Swords Posted Sunday at 01:33 PM Author Report Posted Sunday at 01:33 PM Here’s the sellers description This is a extraordinary and hard to find ww2 Japanese sword this belongs to a high ranking officer that was allowed to carry he’s old descendent blade into the war using the custom order navy Kay gunto mount thia blade has a magnificent well preserved polish ease to enjoy all the details of the smith work this sword has not been presented for evaluation before directly from the official family to you hand this sword is very very healthy no fatal kizu of any kind very light wait and very sharp a great package for any collector hard to let this one go very recommend???! Quote
Shugyosha Posted Sunday at 01:48 PM Report Posted Sunday at 01:48 PM Hi Steven, It's traditionally made and I'd agree with David that it's a shinto blade: the condition of the tang points that way and, for me, the overall shape looks like that which was in vogue around Kanbun so 1660s would be my guess. Unsigned shinto blades aren't very desireable for non-military sword collectors, but an antique blade in kai gunto mounts might have some appeal to you military sword guys - sorry, can't say anything about the fittings as they aren't my thing. Quote
John C Posted Sunday at 01:52 PM Report Posted Sunday at 01:52 PM 19 hours ago, Swords said: help with this sword Steve: In my opinion, 3.5k for this sword is too much (unless the blade could paper as something special, which I don't believe it could). The area around the boshi looks like it has seen a grinder (see pic). The description is hopeful at best. "High ranking" officer? What gives that impression? Koto blade? Again, how is he coming to that conclusion? Never mind the poor grammar and low feedback. A separate question would be to figure out what your collecting goals are. Genuine WWII item with a WWII made blade or an older samurai-era blade that has just happened to be repurposed in WWII koshirae. John C. 2 Quote
Swords Posted Sunday at 02:43 PM Author Report Posted Sunday at 02:43 PM John I agree Good catch on the grinder How and why was that done? I agree on it not being signed As pointed out by another Not defined No hamon Probably disappeared over time It needs a polish Not worth putting another 3000 into it Time to hit the books I’ve been slacking off I have been looking for a nice Kai Gunto just can’t seem to find the right one Most are stainless and traditional are hard to find Good advice Steve Quote
Rivkin Posted Sunday at 02:56 PM Report Posted Sunday at 02:56 PM Light source has to be on a side, not in front of the blade. By default it might be late Muromachi to shinto... Quote
John C Posted Sunday at 05:18 PM Report Posted Sunday at 05:18 PM 2 hours ago, Swords said: traditional are hard to find For traditional kai gunto, I would read Malcolm Cox's excellent manuscripts on Naval Part 1 (updated) and Naval Part 2 (updated) in the Downloads section. Focus specifically on KJT smiths, the navy equivalent of an RJT (some were both). Once you get a list of names, you can search for just those smiths when hunting for swords. John C. 2 1 Quote
Swords Posted Monday at 05:31 PM Author Report Posted Monday at 05:31 PM What would a fair price for this sword Quote
John C Posted Monday at 10:28 PM Report Posted Monday at 10:28 PM 4 hours ago, Swords said: What would a fair price for this sword Steve: For 3.5k I would rather have a legit KJT. Yoshiteru, Kanenari, Tadatsugu, Mitsuyasu, Kaneyoshi all made traditional swords for the Navy. John C. 1 Quote
Swords Posted Tuesday at 08:48 PM Author Report Posted Tuesday at 08:48 PM Thanks John If I could find a naval sword like your talking I will buy it Quote
John C Posted Wednesday at 01:46 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 01:46 PM 16 hours ago, Swords said: If I could find a naval sword like your talking I will buy it Steve: Eric has a Tadatsugu gendaito kaigunto for 3,750. https://www.ebay.com/itm/286811740594? John C. 2 Quote
Swords Posted Wednesday at 04:49 PM Author Report Posted Wednesday at 04:49 PM Thanks John Eric blocked me even though I bought over 10000 worth of swords from him so would have made an offer It’s been for sale a long time His loss I bought a acid etched Sukasada sword from his buddy Matt and took a 4000 loss I m the one who shouldn’t waste my time with him 1 Quote
Brian Posted Wednesday at 05:01 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 05:01 PM Eric is a straight up no-nonsense dealer. I don't think he's the type to look at offers. He has a captive market and deals in higher end stuff. Not someone desperate for a sale and I don't think offers are his sort of thing. I'd happily deal with him, you just have to know and understand him and his market. Quote
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