Lareon Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 Just now, Anto said: I believe it says Takenori and I paid 1,000$. Takenori did make gendaito 1 Quote
Rawa Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 Good price imo. Decent mountings 400-500$ how long is nagasa? Blade looks longer then usual. 1 Quote
Anto Posted July 15 Author Report Posted July 15 Just now, Rawa said: Good price imo. Decent mountings 400-500$ Would it be worth it to have it sharpened? What’s its current value? If it doesn’t make sense to try to fix it back up then I would rather just get my money back. Quote
Rawa Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 Sharpening sth so dull? Blade needs to be polish entirely. Quote
Lareon Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 Just now, Anto said: Would it be worth it to have it sharpened? What’s its current value? If it doesn’t make sense to try to fix it back up then I would rather just get my money back. Not worth it to get it polished and sharpened in my opinion. Also have no idea how much Hamon is lost. I would either keep it as is or if you're unhappy return it 2 Quote
Anto Posted July 15 Author Report Posted July 15 Just now, Lareon said: Not worth it to get it polished and sharpened in my opinion. Also have no idea how much Hamon is lost. I would either keep it as is or if you're unhappy return it Alright thank you. Quote
Lareon Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 Current value you could get $1000 for it. I think the price you paid is ok. Not saying you can't get better or worse for that price but it's ok. 2 Quote
Rawa Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 Yeah If you interested in having blade that can cut go for return. Cost of polish would get you another mounted gendaito. Especially as it is your first sword. Quote
Anto Posted July 15 Author Report Posted July 15 1 minute ago, Lareon said: Current value you could get $1000 for it. I think the price you paid is ok. Not saying you can't get better or worse for that price but it's ok. Yeah but I really only want one and if this one is messed with I’d rather just get a different sword. I mainly collect ww2 Japanese firearms so I’m okay with a machine made one. I had no idea this was signed until I had gotten it home. Quote
Anto Posted July 15 Author Report Posted July 15 1 minute ago, Rawa said: Yeah If you interested in having blade that can cut go for return. Cost of polish would get you another mounted gendaito. Especially as it is your first sword. It was going to be my only one so I would rather just get something else. Quote
Lareon Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 Just now, Anto said: Yeah but I really only want one and if this one is messed with I’d rather just get a different sword. I mainly collect ww2 Japanese firearms so I’m okay with a machine made one. I had no idea this was signed until I had gotten it home. If you do return it. Perhaps put your budget and request on the forum wanted section. I'm sure someone will have something for you to buy and it'll come from the forum where there is a lot of knowledge 1 Quote
Rawa Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 Nakago looks so good. But having good polish is more important. Quote
Anto Posted July 15 Author Report Posted July 15 3 minutes ago, Lareon said: If you do return it. Perhaps put your budget and request on the forum wanted section. I'm sure someone will have something for you to buy and it'll come from the forum where there is a lot of knowledge I can try that my budget is about 1500 if he will let me return it. Technically I’ve only paid him 300 for it as of now Quote
Scogg Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 Ultimately it’s up to what you want, and what will satisfy your collecting interest. Personally I like to admire the steel itself, so I like things in polish. That being said, if it’s just for display in the scabbard.. A Takenori in nice 98 fittings is nothing to scoff at 3 1 Quote
Rawa Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 Be patient. You can afford to be picky with this amount. Wait longer and buy healthy saya [this one have some bad spots] 1 Quote
Lareon Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 Just now, Anto said: I can try that my budget is about 1500 if he will let me return it. Technically I’ve only paid him 300 for it as of now Well if he didn't tell you the edge of the blade has been removed completely which is kind of something you expect on a sword. Like others have said if your gut is unhappy I'd return it. I personally pick up a lot of damaged strays and unloved blades, but that's just me. You could get a nice sword for $1500 for sure. 3 Quote
Anto Posted July 15 Author Report Posted July 15 3 minutes ago, Scogg said: Ultimately it’s up to what you want, and what will satisfy your collecting interest. Personally I like to admire the steel itself, so I like things in polish. That being said, if it’s just for display in the scabbard.. A Takenori in nice 98 fittings is nothing to scoff at I just like to collect very nice things, and I just want a nice example, nothing crazy just something that was used for sure in ww2. It really will just be for display but it feels like a punch in the gut to know what’s been done to it. Quote
Scogg Posted July 16 Report Posted July 16 No doubt. And your gut gives the best advice. I agree with Rawa and Lareon. We’ll be here if you have questions while shopping around Best of luck, -Sam 1 Quote
Anto Posted July 16 Author Report Posted July 16 8 minutes ago, Scogg said: No doubt. And your gut gives the best advice. I agree with Rawa and Lareon. We’ll be here if you have questions while shopping around Best of luck, -Sam Thank you much. Back on the hunt for one, was only on the hunt for a couple months. 1 Quote
When Necessary Posted July 16 Report Posted July 16 It's a highly sought after Yasukuni smith so don't be so quick to return it. Yasunori signed Takenori when he made blades away from the shrine. If the edge has just been dulled by about a millimetre, the hamon is probably all still there and it can be polished out. (And his swords go for way more than $1,000 - so ignore any "I'll take it off your hands for what you paid for it" PMs.) You can find out more information on him from this old listing from Yakiba.com https://yakiba.com/yasunori-kotani/ 2 1 1 Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted July 16 Report Posted July 16 Good catch, Dee! @PNSSHOGUN John would be the guy to tell you whether this was a Type 94 or 98. There was a regulation that required the dulling of blades during peacetime, but would not have impacted a blade made during WWII. By the shiny-ness of the edge, I would say someone did the dulling after WWII for their own reasons. I don't follow the gendaito and Yasukuni shrine swords, but from what Dee said, this blade would be worth a polish. Cole, value-wise, this blade is worth preserving, even polishing, but you'll wait on a wait-list for 2 years before you even get to send in the blade. If you simply want something cool to hang on the wall, this is still a good one, unpolished. Yet, if you're looking for something unmolested by post-war collectors, a return would not be out of line. 2 Quote
PNSSHOGUN Posted July 16 Report Posted July 16 Swords made outside the Yasukuni shrine by Yasunori Kotani were signed Takenori, they are often more lively in Hamon & Sugata. For a thousand bucks you did pretty well. @Bruce Pennington 1940 dated so firmly in the Type 98 realm. 1 2 Quote
Brian Posted July 16 Report Posted July 16 Good sword most likely. But probably belongs with someone who will spend the money having it professionally restored. This isn't a sword for someone who just wants a nice wartime sword. You could likely swap it for a decent Showato here. Will cost a lot to put the edge back (you don't sharpen a Japanese sword, it's somewhat of a by-product of a proper polish) so swap it out and get what you really want. This will likely be a stunning blade once restored. Yes...someone took off the edge deliberately. Very sad...maybe they had kids. Who knows. But it's not ruined. 2 1 Quote
When Necessary Posted July 16 Report Posted July 16 1 hour ago, Brian said: You could likely swap it for a decent Showato here. Oh, without doubt you could, Cole. Though you should bear in mind that would be like swapping a Jaguar in need of a full respray with a decent Nissan. 1 Quote
Karu Posted July 16 Report Posted July 16 This is a blade from Kotani Yasunori, signed Takenori for the blades he smithed out of the yasukuni shrine. Showa 15 = 1940 (december) 1000$ is really nice for this blade. Would of course need a full polish but I think it would be a great investment If you don't want to keep im sure people will make you offers ! Quote
Lareon Posted July 16 Report Posted July 16 So doing some comparisons. There's a takenori in good polish and condition for 4k ATM unsold online. So add the cost of polish (if possible) online example also has shirisaya so add cost for that. I don't know how much a polish in the USA is? Worth the effort? Probably not for a casual collector and also we don't know how much has been done to the blade, how much Hamon is there or boshi is left. I agree with Brian For the investment you could get something un-abused Quote
When Necessary Posted July 16 Report Posted July 16 Cole, it's entirely your choice. My opinion (for what little it's worth)? You lucked out big time getting this particular sword for your first. Most of us started out with something of far lesser pedigree (if not outright junk). The man who made your sword made blades for Imperial Japanese generals, admirals and even the emperor himself. The blunted edge is almost certainly the pay-off for such an incredibly cheap price. Yes, you can very easily swap it for something sharp in 'minty' military fittings which was (probably) carried in the Pacific War. However, it will most likely be machine made and will never, ever have the same value as the sword you possess now, especially should you choose to have it professionally polished - years down the line. Think long and hard and research what you already have before letting it go. Good luck! 3 Quote
Rawa Posted July 16 Report Posted July 16 27 minutes ago, When Necessary said: Cole, it's entirely your choice. My opinion (for what little it's worth)? You lucked out big time getting this particular sword for your first. Most of us started out with something of far lesser pedigree (if not outright junk). The man who made your sword made blades for Imperial Japanese generals, admirals and even the emperor himself. The blunted edge is almost certainly the pay-off for such an incredibly cheap price. Yes, you can very easily swap it for something sharp in 'minty' military fittings which was (probably) carried in the Pacific War. However, it will most likely be machine made and will never, ever have the same value as the sword you possess now, especially should you choose to have it professionally polished - years down the line. Think long and hard and research what you already have before letting it go. Good luck! Don't go crazy about this smith. He made 1600 blades in Yasukuni alone. 1 1 Quote
Anto Posted July 16 Author Report Posted July 16 I’m not opposed to having it polished just only if it makes sense. In a way I wanted something that was interesting like this but just didn’t expect something like this, guess it’s what I get for being un-educated on the subject. He(the guy I purchased it from)has a couple other signed swords and while being in better condition(sharp), the other one I was looking at had a ripped handle wrapping? And he was asking much more for that, about 3-5k if I remember correctly. edit: I should also mention he and I had no idea this had been signed, my friend used to collect stuff so he suggested to look at it so if it was. Explains the good price because he thought it was just a normal machine made one. 1 Quote
When Necessary Posted July 16 Report Posted July 16 16 minutes ago, Rawa said: Don't go crazy about this smith. He made 1600 blades in Yasukuni alone. Yeah - 1,600 EXCELLENT blades which lots of people want. 4 Quote
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