Chinese Sword? Need Info To Dispute

[Brian]

Another junker listed here in SA as a real Japanese folded and forged katana.
I have commented that it is not Japanese, but very shortly I am going to get the indignant reply that it comes with a Japanese certificate and is real. we have all been there many times before.
Can anyone shed any light on the paper so that I have some comeback when this happens?
Thanks all.

 

 

Japanese Katana. T10 Stainless Steel Folded. Alloy Tang and Butt. Full Bamboo Sheeve.

 

Made by Reputable House in Japan.
Comes with Certificate of Authenticity.
This what you call Real Japanese Steel.

 

 

[PNSSHOGUN]

Looks like the "authentication" sheet many Chinese sellers print with the sword, it is only what the sword is made of and other specs. Worth less than toilet paper.

[ROKUJURO]

Well, Brian,

nobody should need papers to see what that is.

A German proverb says: 'Paper is patient' meaning it does not protest even if you write nonsense on it. Technically, you cannot fold and weld stainless steel in a simple blacksmith's forge, and it would not make any sense at all. The paper is made to look very old, but it is really funny to see that it even mentions the blade's Rockwell hardness! The ground-on HAMON is (nearly) gorgeous!   

This is a very simple attempt to get to the money of some unsuspecting people.. 

[Jacques]

A Japanese certificate of authenticity written in english ?????  

[John A Stuart]

刀剣の鑑定書 Token no Kanteisho. The seals are preceded by, 刀工名 Toukoumei, swordsmith's name. 刀名人 Tou Meijin, appraiser, expert on swords.

[vajo]

Btw i find these T-10 steel very interesting (this one looks not like it). It is not a industrial steel sort. Some chinese forgery made that steel by itself. Some of the swords had a interesting hada and hamon which looks like the european made "Samurai" swords that i see. All in all a muppet show for a collector. For a martial arts fan maybe a good choice for hacking the sword around on meet, water bottles und old leather shoes. Better doing this with a chinese or european fake sword than a genuine Japanese sword. 

[Mark C]

The Charles and Di coffee mug would be a better investment.

 

Mark

[Tanto54]

Dear Brian,

 

The characters at the top are Japanese but are surely written by a non-Japanese (probably Chinese).  Also, note that the characters are written left to right and would usually be written top to bottom on a certificate.

[Brian]

Thanks guys, he disappeared when challenged, so I suspect he was fully aware.
Much appreciated.

[raynor]

I am such a novice in all things nihonto yet that I feel like I should wave a rattle around as a warning before my posts but I would not cut anything but air with that thing, not even that if it's a rat tail.. I dont like flying pieces of metal.

 

I bet it would not cut the "certificate" if you tried.

 

As for European and Chinese copies I have good experiences with those that dont pretend to be a nihonto but are well made non folded, differentially hardened tool steel swords made for tameshigiri.

 

Cue actual t10 hamon om a most likely Chinese made sword gifted to me, quite different from the fraud OP is rightly exposing.

 

I'm no metal expert but I think t10 steel is high speed tool steel with a bit of tungsten added.

[vajo]

Omar T-10 steel is carbon steel like 1095 steel (C:0.95-1.05 Si:0.25 Mn:0.70). But it is not industrial classified and is different in carbon, silizium and mangan. You can find in such a selfmade steel all other elements. So every sword with T-10 label is different.

 

Btw: Tamahagene has 1,4x carbon. I think it is the highest carbon content in all steel grades. The origin is allways the best