Translation Mei Signature And Opinions Blade ,last War? Early Blade?

[DanielGJ]

Translation Mei signature and opinions blade ,last war? Early blade? ThanMany thanks for your contributions, Daniel.

[Ray Singer]

Unfortunately appear to my eyes to be a Chinese fake.

[Shugyosha]

Hi Daniel,

 

Ray got in first, but I'm in the "made in China" camp too.

 

Best,

John

[DanielGJ]

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[Shugyosha]

Sorry Daniel, but I'm not sure what you're asking here.

[Surfson]

I don't think that the additional photos change the consensus that this is either a fake or a sword that has been terribly messed with.

[Jean]

Agreed at 100%, have a look at the kashira, typically Chinese.

[DanielGJ]

I know that Australian troops used Jeep springs to make 'fake' swords with the sole intention of making money from understandably gullible G.I's newly arrived in the region, during, and after the end of hostilities with Japan. I have a picture somewhere, but wasn't able to find it just yet, but will post it when i come across it----promise.

However, i do have a some pictures i found of PETA from Indonesia, who went on after the war to fight another 4 yrs against the Dutch who were trying to retake their 'Colony' back after losing it to the Japanese. These Collaborators welcomed the Japanese and saw them as liberators from the chains of Colonialism.

Quoted from Wikipeadia:

"The Japanese military also provided Indonesian youth with military training and weapons, including the formation of a volunteer army called PETA (Pembela Tanah Air – Defenders of the Homeland). The Japanese military training for Indonesian youth originally was meant to rally the local's support for the collapsing power of Japanese Empire, but later it has become the significant resource for Republic of Indonesia during Indonesian National Revolution in 1945 to 1949, and also has leads to the formation of Indonesian National Armed Forces in 1945."

[Geraint]

Dear Daniel.

 

I am not sure that the phrase, "clutching at straws", will translate but you seem to want to defend this sword for some reason.  If the information about PETA is correct and if this sword has something to do with that then nothing about the quality of the sword changes, it's still a mess. 

 

At the very best this is a sword whose blade has been ruined by damage to the nakago and it's out of polish, the fittings have nothing of value about them, look at the shaping pf the tsuba and the nakago ana. 

 

Why would you want to own it?

 

All the best.

[Brian]

I wouldn't write it off as Chinese so fast. I see yasurime, and a tang that has been horribly messed with and filed. Maybe the original kanji almost disappeared and someone tried to crudely recut them.
I think the blade has a chance to be real, although fairly ruined. Machi okuri. Second hole drilled crudely.
Can't say for sure, but it could easily be a real blade.

[DanielGJ]

Thank you Brian, I think that the sword should not be compared to classic nihonto or a classic military gunto, because it is not, but as a craft sword of the second world war of Japanese katana type, not registered.

[Brian]

Daniel,
IF it is a real Japanese sword, (and i think that is still a pretty big IF) then I think this would be earlier than WW2. It is not a wartime blade imho.
But it is very poor, I just hope for your sake it is genuine at least.
But stuff like this....collectors grow out of very quickly. Many of us started there. Some managed to avoid it. The lucky ones.

[DanielGJ]

Thanks Brian, what do you mean with a big IF, which is IF? Greetings.

[Brian]

Meaning I am still not sure it is a Japanese sword. I think it has a chance, but am not making a conclusive statement.
Take some pics of the sword from above, no funny angles, showing the whole thing..and more of the kissaki.

[Ray Singer]

Additional photos, including the kissaki, are here.

 

http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/20876-island-made-gunto/?do=findComment&comment=253132

[Jean]

Whatever it is, it is ruined...

[DanielGJ]

hahahaha so bad you see it? because in reality but the nakago the joja is quite pretty and cuts like a demon, I personally prefer to have swords that are old and with marks, signatures or numbers that mean nothing, that a Muramasa sword or matsumune ... you will think that person more rare, but I believe that all the Japanese sword signs that it does not have its certificate of Japanese 95% must be false, an example in ebay there is a seller of users that which is not its name because it does not Proceed, then, it has some super swords with a dazzling, impeccable koshirae and all the signatures and bids last 5 days and again more great swords, but all the Japanese chains, has a stock of swords that neither a frutero in his fruteria, an I like my sword and I assure you that I have seen much worse ruins, a greeting Jean.

[Stephen]

lost in translation, dont make this out to be anything other than junk!

[DanielGJ]

I do not understand you, I use a translator, it may be that phrases that I write when translated into English do not want to say what I write, I'm sorry,regards.

[Stephen]

never mind the translation of your prior post ,,,it is what it is junk, try not to make it out better with romancing the sword!

 

 

[DanielGJ]

If my post is trash, do not bother to comment, live and let live, I'm left with comments like Brian's that tell you with arguments what may or may not be.bye Stephen.

[Jean]

Daniel,

 

Puede ser una lamina de la segunda guerra mundial, pero la firma no es Japonesa y no corresponde a un nombre de herrero. El kissaki es la peor parte de este lamina con el nakago. No es una sorpresa que corta bien pero no esta una indicación de origen porque las copias de China cortan bien. Este lamina no vale mas que 100$.

[DanielGJ]

Gracias Jean,y gracias por escribir en español me parece bien tu opinión , yo no la compre como un nihonto sino como una espada last ditch que se ve que son espadas NO japonesas pero con la forma de katana que las hacían en zonas colonizadas por japoneses ,pero aquí parece que van muy a saco , un saludo.

[Jean]

Si tienes algunas preguntas Daniel, mandame un PM

[Brian]

You can write in Spanish if you like, we have people who can translate (thanks Jean)
Stephen was not saying your post is junk, but that the sword is too far gone and is ruined. it is not personal.

[DanielGJ]

Last ditch

[Brian]

Real, but messed with, and with mostly homemade fittings.