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Michael I do hope we don't lose the practical nihonto/tosogu - the pretty stuff won't reflect the truth and we will be the worse without it. The duality of function and beauty can't really exist without each other. Who can even define what beauty is and what is worth saving?

Michael it looks much better with the darker image. I have the same problem with some museum examples that I look at - either too dark to see any detail or too washed out to give a proper image [sometimes you can't win] I rather like Tanto guards, they somehow seem a neglected part of collecting - size is not everything! The other guards are [sorry] pretty run of the mill, and utilitarian - made for use rather than decorative - the dragon I think is cast, the mei look overly wide with a curved indent not like you get with a sharp chisel. There are two lines which shouldn't be where they are and what looks like a rounded over edge to the nakago-ana. [could be wrong it wouldn't be the first time!]

Just a guess but it looks like it is corroded more on one side, pointing to it being stored in a not very dry container/or even under a house. Then over cleaned, there looks to be no 'patina' left [unless the lighting is harsh?] The nakago-ana looks recently cleaned might I say filed? Heianjo style with a slightly raised rim, Kiku mon [yours originally, were better defined than the example image below] and Karakusa scrolls. I think it would have been a very attractive piece and from my experience there don't seem to be many Tanto sized pieces out there (?), but as Indiana Jones said "It's not the age - it's the mileage!"

Have you ever seen a signed seppa? Is it carved or ballpoint! Why would you sign something like that? Or is the text saying blade side/tsuka side? https://www.jauce.com/auction/r1001584743

I found another very similar to John's https://www.samuraimuseum.jp/shop/product/antique-tsuba-for-samurai-sword-t-148/ I have lightened the image for better definition. The decoration within the seppa-dai is different to the other examples and the mimi is raised rather than flat.

Michael isn't it amazing, so far, that the shape of the guards are all different when the pattern stays pretty much the same? I find that unusual and certainly not boring!

Adam at least your eye was good enough to avoid the really bad copies that exist. The 'better' copies are designed to fool most people after all! This collection of images shows the deceptive side verses the obvious fakes, have no fear there are even more examples out there! Someone out there is making money from this stuff - it used to be called fraud!

One here with a similar motif - Owari - https://www.Japan-onlineshop.com/antike-stuecke/56-tsuba-owari.html And similar https://www.jauce.com/auction/o1001309331 This one is listed as Akasaka https://www.jauce.com/auction/b557871486 I think there was a lot of overlap in designs from one school to the next.

Roger you are so right - the Tiger snakes here in Tassie are big enough - and they are really friendly, they come right up to you! [where is the emoji for "shudder"?]

Roger from what I can find the Naga has a variety of types depending on whereabouts in Asia it is depicted, in India it has the either the head and torso of a man/woman or a multiple of snake heads, in Thai culture the head is like a dragon with a huge forward facing crest. Both these countries have only a single tail. But other countries show two tails or even more. Having stood face to face with a huge King cobra in Singapore I can see where the myth might have come from - I still get the shakes! They are bloody big snakes! We will never know for sure what really inspired the various dragons, probably lots relate back to crocodiles, but big serpents would be on my list. I think the rain dragon has those strange curled legs [how they would move eludes me] like this Japanese rendering.

Hi Michael: For some additional information the two dragons affronté [face to face] are Rain Dragons, they usually have few if any scales, curlicues for legs and a split [bifurcated] curly tail/s You will find an almost exact copy of your tsuba - not the same shape but all the same elements in the Metropolitan Museum collection. You might get some useful information there as well. [I have taken the liberty to enhance the images for a better view- why do museums produce such dark images?] https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/25679

The more decorative side of the guard is usually the side facing the hand when held, counter intuitive when you consider Western weapons have the decoration of the guards on the blade side of the weapon. But it has to do with how the sword is worn with the tsuka [handle] facing forward towards the viewer. The hitsu-ana shape can also dictate the orientation of the tsuba but this is complicated when both hitsu are the same shape as in your examples case. Signatures can appear on either side of the guard and indeed long inscriptions overflow onto both sides. I think like almost every aspect of life any hard and fast rules will have exceptions. PS. it's a very nice guard you have.

Geraint - I would agree it's a cultural cringe away from the traditional, for a relative short time, before embracing once again the style of the past. A niche period of over compensating for a perceived [and unfounded] inferiority of Japanese tradition. Interesting to note that the Western perception of the Japanese style at the same time, was that of awe, of native skill.

Just a general enquiry - what is the definition of a tsuba? Would this be called a tsuba? Taisho era army sword guard [not very attractive]

I do like the 'filled' Namako tsuba, I have not seen many like it.

Josh. Not a Peacock but a Hou-ou (or Hoo-oo) -- The Japanese Phoenix. The three? crossed leaves in the center are a bit difficult to identify. The Kamon on the right is the closest I could find from a quick search - sorry the definition is not good. The only maru menuki images I could find are on Tachi Koshirae - I am sure there are sword experts out there with better information.

Steven E. I have done the same, reporting scams to several auction houses when they are selling fakes as authentic - to their credit most do take the offending item down or relist it as what it truly is. Nice to know Etsy has standards. How do we call out ebay when they won't take action? Surely this is being complicit in a scam and makes them equally guilty of a crime. Who can you report ebay to? Stephen. How do we avoid being sued for defamation even when its true? The offenders often have deeper pockets than the victim and litigate you to financial death.

I just had the same experience, I bought a rusty guard on Jauce [also linked to YJP] for a buy it now price of 5980 yen or about 75 dollars AU. - I had seen the same guard on ebay with three different prices listed, the lowest was $186 AU and the others over $200. A week after I had bought it it was still being advertised on ebay - I politely sent the dealer a note that it was already sold and to please take the ad down, obviously he didn't check his 'available' stock!! I do wish ebay had standards about scalpers, but then they are only interested in their own revenue. I wonder how this thread has gone on from a posting of a picture of a long nosed Tengu to become a talk about auction ethics? Fun though!!

Kawari are irregular outlined guards, they sometimes make up the shape of an object. There are many 'standard' shapes that guards can take - kawari are those that don't fit those standard types. As far as school or maker of your piece it could be Chosu, Bushu or even Kinai, I would only be guessing. It is hand carved and obviously not a modern copy. These images are of Kawari -gata tsuba. Those with the red box outline show rim versions and those without, you could class them as 'modified' to Kawari shape. The others are the finished shape of an object. I have in excess of thirty Kawari-gata in my collection, about half are 'modified' - so previously damaged and reworked. Sometimes Kobushi-gata [closed fist] guards are also called Kawari because of the irregular shape.

Glen you are now a member of a huge club of buyers who buy in good faith - only to be disappointed by money hungry sellers, some of whom use a worldwide crisis to their own benefit. There are however some very honest and reliable sellers - it is just a case of cutting the bad out of your watch list. Maybe we need a list of sellers to avoid? Name and shame?

Wow love that kawari - Waves and Maple leaf design - with two paddles. [let me know if you want to sell it!] Not sure of one of the menuki but one is of a Child's doll. I have a couple of Kawari that are reworked from broken rims and one in the Metropolitan museum. [36.120.195] I can't help noticing the double sekigane - someone treasured it enough to remount it at least twice.

Alban here is another Woodblock print featuring a Samurai and a huge anchor. Title Seki sanjūrō sakata hangorō Print shows two actors, Seki Sanjūrō and Sakata Hangurō, one with a large sword and the other carrying a large anchor over his shoulder. Utagawa, Kuniyasu, 1794-1832, artist Created / Published [between 1815 and 1830]

This Tengu Menuki would give Pinocchio a run for his money!! https://www.jauce.com/auction/t1000415606

Alban - the image is : Suruga Jirô Kiyoshige in armor with a huge anchor by Kuniyoshi Utagawa (1797-1861)