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#1 Geoffry Persoon

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Posted 28 February 2016 - 07:21 PM

Hello everybody i was wondering if someone could help me out with the translation of this old tanto knife mei.
The tanto is signed on both sides.
Maybe there is someone who knows the name of the smith and maybe a date??
Thanks for everybody who is trying to help me out.
Geoffry

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Posted 28 February 2016 - 07:34 PM

smith on first location on second, think hes Kiyosada 


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Posted 28 February 2016 - 07:37 PM

Dear Geoffry,

 

Hard to make out but I think one side is the province, possibly Bishu no ju, and the other the smith.  Can't help you much but might be Kiyosada?

 

I;m sure others will chime in here but an overall picture of the blade would be useful, along with dimensions please.

 

All the best.

 

Stephen beat me to it.


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#4 Tokaido

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Posted 28 February 2016 - 07:42 PM

Hi Geoffry

I agree with Stephen:

first picture: name of the smith = Kiyosada

second picture: name of the location: Bishu (??) ju

not certain about the "Bi"...

 

Few Bishu Kiyosada with this kanji in in Markus Seskos book.

 

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Posted 28 February 2016 - 11:48 PM

I this is Sasshu ju Kiyosada

薩州住清貞

there were three generations in the Edo period
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#6 Toryu

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Posted 29 February 2016 - 12:03 AM

i think...

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#7 Geoffry Persoon

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Posted 29 February 2016 - 02:01 AM

Thanks for the information guys.
I am gonna check it on the internet.
Hoping for more info.
Geoffry

#8 Geoffry Persoon

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Posted 29 February 2016 - 10:16 PM

Hello guys i have searched the internet for the smith but did not find much information on this guys name.
In some days i will post pictures of the complete tanto knife.
It looks more like a big kozuka knife to me.
Maybe this will help me out finding some more information.
Best regards
Geoffry

#9 Darcy

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Posted 01 March 2016 - 10:10 AM

Maybe: 

 

Boshu ju Kiyosada 

 

This would be theorizing its Nio school then. It actually does help if you try to improve the legibility of the first character and to show the rest of the blade because the style will confirm the mei reading possibly.

 

I will point out that this split signature is a Chikuzen thing with the Samonji school. This crossed over the water into Nagato with Yasuyoshi. Nagato province is side by side with Suo province.

 

When I looked at the signing pattern and the name I didn't go right to Nio but it reminded me of Samonji and Kiyosada is not on any lists of students but there are Sada is a character in names of three of the students of Samonji. So someone needs to check a few generations down the road from here and see if that's coincidence or maybe this guy is a long way down on the Samonji school. 


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#10 Geoffry Persoon

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 03:32 AM

Here are some pictures at least of the tanto blade .
The custom made koshira is my own work.
So do not think it is an antique one but it is a homemade akuchi style koshira done by myself.

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 06:23 AM

I think Thomas nailed it.

 

Sasshu ju Kiyosada
薩州住清貞


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