Experts views on my new tsuba

[Kurikata]

Hi NMB experts,

 

I think my new mumei tsuba might be classified as a Sendai Kiyosada school exemple (shakudo with gold inlays and specificlly gold around the hitsu ana).

 

What are your views ?

 

Thank you

[Hokke]

Won’t hazard a guess on the school, but I don’t think there is any inlay there. Looks more like gilding to me. 
 

[Matsunoki]

Agree with Calabrese, this is not inlay work.

I’m not totally certain that it is old. Apologies and I’m most likely wrong but I have seen modern pieces that are rather scary upon first glance. Also the nakago ana is similar to some “milk bottle” shapes found on modern items.

I hope I’m wrong.

No malicious intent. 

[Bugyotsuji]

It is giving me flashes of Nagoya-mono.

[Spartancrest]

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/27603   Ko-kinko ?

[Jesta]

I don’t get modern vibes from this one. I would agree that it is not inlay, but gilding. You can see places where the gilding has not quite gone to the edge of the pattern, and other places where the gilding has worn through. 

My first thought on seeing the nanako was Nagoya-mono, but the colour is better than you normally get with that, so I am not sure. 

 

[Infinite_Wisdumb]

10 hours ago, Matsunoki said:

Agree with Calabrese, this is not inlay work.

I’m not totally certain that it is old. Apologies and I’m most likely wrong but I have seen modern pieces that are rather scary upon first glance. Also the nakago ana is similar to some “milk bottle” shapes found on modern items.

I hope I’m wrong.

No malicious intent. 

Agreed 

many Kantei to Nagoya-mono, but the nakago Ana colors and punch marks dont align with historical MN examples

poor Gilding and the size of the nanako suggest Nagoya however

[Matsunoki]

6 hours ago, Jesta said:

but the colour is better than you normally get with that, so I am not sure. 

 

5 hours ago, Infinite_Wisdumb said:

many Kantei to Nagoya-mono, but the nakago Ana colors and punch marks dont align with historical MN examples

poor Gilding and the size of the nanako suggest Nagoya however

Have a look at the image below and the link to another topic. 
I don’t think the tsuba in question is a Nagoya-mono, I think it most likely brand new. It is really amazing the level of detail and the colouration that can be achieved now with silicone moulding etc. Perfect nanako isn’t a problem for these guys!

 

[Matsunoki]

Ps, I hope I am wrong 

[MauroP]

Gents, there is a lot in between from Kiyosada school to Nagoyamono. 
The subject is very Japanese (shōgatsu-kazari straw rope and tachibana fruits). The material, from the images, looks fine shakudō. The nanako-ji, thought not outstanding, is far better than usually seen in Kyō-kanagushi. The gold gilding shows minor wears as expected from a piece 200 years old or so.
So, why not an honest middle/late Edo Owari-kinkō or Kyō-kinkō?

 

[Jesta]

2 minutes ago, MauroP said:

Gents, there is a lot in between from Kiyosada school to Nagoyamono. 
The subject is very Japanese (shōgatsu-kazari straw rope and tachibana fruits). The material, from the images, looks fine shakudō. The nanako-ji, thought not outstanding, is far better than usually seen in Kyō-kanagushi. The gold gilding shows minor wears as expected from a piece 200 years old or so.
So, why not an honest middle/late Edo Owari-kinkō or Kyō-kinkō?

 

I would agree on the wear pattern making it likely that this is old. A reverse image search doesn’t throw up any other identical pieces, so with that and the wear pattern, I am not convinced that it is new. If it is a fake, then I would expect to see more of them, and no wear on the gilding. 

 

IMHO: Edo period (probably late), and of reasonable quality. 

[ROKUJURO]

Could we talk at all if this is a fake when it is MUMEI?

[Kurikata]

Thank you all of you for the time spent to analyse the pictures of my tsuba.

I have to admit that providing an opinion with two pictures is quite a difficult exercise. 

As a summury (and because I have the tsuba in hands):

- late edo [end of 19th century)

- dark shakudo with an average nanako patern

- light signs of usage around the sepadai 

- design is not common (tachinaba and strow ropes)

Please let see herewith more pictures as all opinion are warmly welcome [even if I do not avoid the fact that a modern tsuba is not excluded)

[Iekatsu]

You guys need to stop feaking people out. It is a legitiamate Tsuba, Edo period. It is a carved design with applied gilding. Gilding in not perfect, sometimes it is worn away and sometimes it goes outside of the lines.

I would say clear Mino influence with this one.

Edited 2 hours ago by Iekatsu

[MauroP]

10 minutes ago, Iekatsu said:

You guys need to stop feaking people out. It is a legitiamate Tsuba, Edo period. It is a carved design with applied gilding. Gilding in not perfect, sometimes it is worn away and sometimes it goes outside of the lines.

I would say clear Mino influence with this one.

I don't agree on Mino style, but consent on the general approach.

[Iekatsu]

To be clear I don't think it is Mino, but I can see the influence in the general layout of elements, the shape of the Seppa-dai and the Hitsu-ana etc.

Edited 2 hours ago by Iekatsu