Why i dislike this dealer

[lonely panet]

https://www.aoijapan.com/as19431-katanayasunobu-dated-a-lucky-day-in-june-showa-15-1940nbthk-hozon-token/

[Bugyotsuji]

Why? Hamfish, do we have to read the whole page to find out why you dislike this dealer? 

[Hokke]

Because they lengthened the description by repeating the same information?

[lonely panet]

Look at the tsuka and seppa guys.

 

Its not original. Deliberately modified meguki and punched in seppa to make a a pre 44 pattern blade fit just for financial purposes 

Edited September 25 by lonely panet

[Bugyotsuji]

Never bought anything from Aoi myself, so no expectations to start with.

[lonely panet]

i have had direct dealings with him,  and know 2 peaple that have had both restoration survices provided and purchased from him.

hence my lack of faith in this dealer

[Rawa]

@Bruce Pennington what you think? Tsuka was modified looking on only 1 mekugi ana at nakago and refit one being in use but it's still yasukuni-to. Would you rather choose shirasaya? Sure, but T3 koshirae is still worth similar money.

@Volker62? 5k$ for pappered blade of IIIrd grade yasukuni smith is too much? And could you write us about koshirae which yasukuni can be found in.

 

Edited September 26 by Rawa

[Volker62]

 

I'd like to avoid making a generell assessment here.

 

I haven't seen or heard of a Yasukunishrine sword in this type 3 mount yet. (after over 35 years of collecting)

 

But that doesn't mean everything!

 

a few in Kai Gunto over the years

 

 

However, I've occasionally purchased from Aoi Art over the past few years and have been sttisfied with both, the service and the product.

 

 

 

 

[Volker62]

I would always buy a product from Aoi Art again

and will probably do so again in the future.

 

 

 

 

Have a nice weekend everyone!!!!

[Volker62]

Rawa please keep in mind, that all swordsmith who were allowed to sign the" Yasu" were subjected to a rigorous selection process and had undergone serval years of training!

 

 

To write about from a "pappered blade"(whatever this is?) made by a third rate Yasukuni smith is in my opinion inapprorriate, sorry!

[Volker62]

Please note that we the Gajin  , were the first to have access to the Japanese sword and especially to the Japanese culture to this extent after WWII

 

yasukuni shrine swords were a high quality product, (very expnsive)  manufactered under strictspecifications and under the supervision of a appropriate experts in the spirit of the Japanese national pride of this time, in the spirit of Bushido.

[Volker62]

these yasukuni swords had such a high presige, that the Japanese Emperor was didvinely 

 

endowed with them!

[Nicholas]

@Volker62 I believe what @Rawa is referring to (correct me if I’m wrong) by third tier is the ranking chart at the bottom of the Jp-swords.com site that gives the author’s personal opinion on the rankings of the Yasukuni shrine smiths. 

Edited September 26 by Nicholas

[Bruce Pennington]

I have never dealt with that shop.  They seem to sell some really high quality blades.  Only once or twice have I heard complaints about various practices.  I wouldn't rush to assume the fittings were done by the seller.  These swords have often passed through many hands over the past 80 years.  There is no way to know who did the match-up, except for the rare cases where we've got photos of a previous sale and compared to the current sale, there was obvious fittings changes (not this seller, but another one).

[Volker62]

thank you Nicholas

 

for me the term pappered blade  has a strange aftertaste, which flows smewhatunfortuantely into this formulation?

[Volker62]

what does this mean pappered blade?

 

For me ,sorry it has a slightly derogatory connotation???

 

and in my opinion, that would be derogatory toward this sword.

[Rawa]

Finished project. Pappered+shirasaya+polished/no need for polish. Buy and enjoy. You have crazy reaction towards those swords.

Edited September 26 by Rawa

[Bugyotsuji]

Rawa, re “paper”.

 

(if it has papers, it’s papered.)

Etymology: papyrus

[lonely panet]

each to there own,  but l much more prefur a good blade in shirasaya alone rather then bastardized koshirae to the sword for market value.

 

much like this,  the blade is far above the modified dirk mounts 

 

Tanto: Teishitsu Gigeiin 77 Okina Miyamoto Kanenori(NBTHK Hozon Token) - Japanese Sword Shop Aoi-Art

[Rawa]

27 minutes ago, Bugyotsuji said:

Rawa, re “paper”.

 

(if it has papers, it’s papered.)

Etymology: papyrus

For some "pampered" won't be good enough 

[Volker62]

Rawa

 

 

Over the  years, I've deveoped a more informed reaction to these swords, that is based more on facts, than on speculation 

[Volker62]

Rawa you'r too smart for me

 

ashes on my head

[Hokke]

On 9/25/2025 at 3:05 PM, lonely panet said:

Look at the tsuka and seppa guys.

 

Its not original. Deliberately modified meguki and punched in seppa to make a a pre 44 pattern blade fit just for financial purposes 

I see what you are saying, however, do you have reason to believe it was AOI who made the modifications? If the koshirae was assembled before it was tendered to AOI, I dont see why it would be a negative on them as a dealer.  I guess there is something to said of a dealer who doesn't disclose a frankenstein koshirae, perhaps that is the source of your ire? 

[Rawa]

8 hours ago, Volker62 said:

Rawa you'r too smart for me

 

ashes on my head

Nah, I humbly bow before you. But you should close one eye for misspeled colloquialisms.

Edited September 27 by Rawa

[Rawa]

21 hours ago, Volker62 said:

Rawa you'r too smart for me

 

ashes on my head

@Volker62I want your opinion about blade but you blocked dms

Edited September 27 by Rawa

[Volker62]

Rawa

 

what is wrong with you?

 

 

please let me know how I can help you, if you'r open to help

[Volker62]

have you tried asking here, Rawa or is no one listening to you here anymore ?????

[Rawa]

17 minutes ago, Volker62 said:

have you tried asking here, Rawa or is no one listening to you here anymore ?????

More like a private matter

[Volker62]

 Rawa

 

I'm very sure that I'm  unable to help you, sorry

[Rivkin]

Another discussion that goes somewhere.

I know a few dealers whom I reasonably trust on descriptions, photography and moneyback guarantee. I never bought much from them - they deal in things somewhat outside my interest.

On the other hand Christies are awful in photography, descriptions, no warranty, false promises, random people. I bought from them and many people do. Because they have a brand and good items.

Simply don't pay attention to most things they write down. There are more dangerous guys, those who do put in the effort when writing things, but either far more incompetent than they think they are (99% of dealers), or they are shrewd. Or both.

 

Yes, Aoi Art has a thingy where they affix a koshirae to most blades they sell. I loved it as a beginner (its a real samurai sword), less than thrilled now, but there is some match between blade quality and koshirae, and even at the bottom its not "awful-awful". Big thoroughput shop with many good items.

 

Edited September 27 by Rivkin