BjornLundin Posted October 19, 2023 Report Posted October 19, 2023 AOI presented this tachi today, and I oogled over the price 350000 yen - 2300 USD including shirasaya including TH papers. 1300th blade... https://www.aoijapan...kenconsignment-sale/ Anyone explain to me why this sword price is so low? What am I not seeing here? -Björn Quote
Mark S. Posted October 19, 2023 Report Posted October 19, 2023 Auction ‘starting’ price. Final bid price may be significantly different. 1 Quote
Katsujinken Posted October 19, 2023 Report Posted October 19, 2023 It’s also short and a bit tired. 1 Quote
PNSSHOGUN Posted October 19, 2023 Report Posted October 19, 2023 Look at the Machi vs Mune, there was a significant amount of cutting edge removed. 2 Quote
Alex A Posted October 19, 2023 Report Posted October 19, 2023 Not "top notch" status but could be a good deal for someone wanting an old SIGNED blade. 1 Quote
Jussi Ekholm Posted October 19, 2023 Report Posted October 19, 2023 It is very interesting item and I think the price will (should) get higher than starting price. However there are some small things in Aoi Arts listing that might not been explained. The actual founder of Mihara school is considered to be Masaie (正家) during late Kamakura period. There was actually late Kamakura - Early Nanbokuchō period Masahiro (正広) in Mihara province. He is the famous Masahiro smith from Mihara. This tachi that is at Aoi is actually by 2nd generation Mihara Masahiro, he was working around late Nanbokuchō - Ōei. Now even though he is not valued as high as the 1st generation, he is still good smith and many works by him have achieved Jūyō status. And I personally cannot really identify the difference between Mihara Masahiro generations. I have just put down many signed tachi as Nanbokuchō works in general. Here on Aoi Art item NBTHK has specified in brackets that this is work of the 2nd generation. For comparison the Masahiro tachi from Tokubetsu Jūyō 2 is seen as work of 1st generation as late Kamakura period has been specified for it, and Masahiro tachi from Tokubetsu Jūyō 23 is seen as 2nd generation work as late Nanbokuchō has been specified for that one by NBTHK. I counted items I have info on so far and only got 25 Mihara Masahiro tachi in total. Then there are some signed naoshi, katana, and shorter blades. 12 1 Quote
Gakusee Posted October 19, 2023 Report Posted October 19, 2023 30 minutes ago, Jussi Ekholm said: It is very interesting item and I think the price will (should) get higher than starting price. However there are some small things in Aoi Arts listing that might not been explained. The actual founder of Mihara school is considered to be Masaie (正家) during late Kamakura period. There was actually late Kamakura - Early Nanbokuchō period Masahiro (正広) in Mihara province. He is the famous Masahiro smith from Mihara. This tachi that is at Aoi is actually by 2nd generation Mihara Masahiro, he was working around late Nanbokuchō - Ōei. Now even though he is not valued as high as the 1st generation, he is still good smith and many works by him have achieved Jūyō status. And I personally cannot really identify the difference between Mihara Masahiro generations. I have just put down many signed tachi as Nanbokuchō works in general. Here on Aoi Art item NBTHK has specified in brackets that this is work of the 2nd generation. For comparison the Masahiro tachi from Tokubetsu Jūyō 2 is seen as work of 1st generation as late Kamakura period has been specified for it, and Masahiro tachi from Tokubetsu Jūyō 23 is seen as 2nd generation work as late Nanbokuchō has been specified for that one by NBTHK. I counted items I have info on so far and only got 25 Mihara Masahiro tachi in total. Then there are some signed naoshi, katana, and shorter blades. Another excellent post, Jussi! As we know, dealers sometimes deliberately obfuscate their descriptions. Such ambiguity as to the precise generation or period usually raises hopes in the potential buyer. It makes reading the original / NBTHK documentation so much more important. 4 Quote
Rivkin Posted October 20, 2023 Report Posted October 20, 2023 Hamon is quite well seen, while jigane is absolutely bland everywhere, quite possibly the polisher did not do well with it and killed whatever was there. A bit tired as well. Otherwise its a typical issue that circa 1395 blade costs half of the one from 1385. It is what it is. Personally there is some decay of quality from 1350 to 1380, but 1440 is often as good or better than 1380. 2 Quote
BjornLundin Posted October 20, 2023 Author Report Posted October 20, 2023 Thank you all for the great answers. I am again amazed and very grateful that forum members use their valuable time to answer and give insight into a not-so-detailed question. I learn every day thanks to you all! Best Björn 2 1 Quote
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