DTM72 Posted January 14, 2022 Report Share Posted January 14, 2022 I am setting up at a military antique show and the only two Japanese swords in the place are right next to my table. One is has a painted Navy saya with leather bound Navy tsuka and Navy 3 plate tsuba. Blade is a Chinese replacement. Total crap. The other is a numbers matching brass handle NCO. I know about Showa blades and Nihonto, but not much about NCO's. I know the copper handles are rare, but not familiar with brass handles. What is it worth? @Bruce Pennington @george trotter @Kiipu Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted January 14, 2022 Report Share Posted January 14, 2022 you can post a picture for confirmation but "Brass handled" NCOs are Chinese copies in my experience. Genuine ones are copper (rare) and painted aluminum (also later wood ones) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTM72 Posted January 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2022 The fuchi has the arsenal markings. The saya throat numbers match the blade numbers. I didn't get a pic of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiipu Posted January 14, 2022 Report Share Posted January 14, 2022 Stay away from the two on the left with the green painted scabbards, they are more than likely reproductions. The dress sword on the right is probably original. @Shamsy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTM72 Posted January 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2022 Now that I'm back to my computer, it seems that there should only be painted aluminum or the rare copper handle. On the brass handle version the font is different for the serial numbers and the bo-hi is low from the mune, and doesn't extend all the way to the kissaki. Guess I'll pass on this one. Thanks guys! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamsy Posted January 14, 2022 Report Share Posted January 14, 2022 The '95' is Chinese crap. Read the Fake NCO Thread and you will see many examples of this poor reproduction. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTM72 Posted January 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 I passed on this one. Talking more with the seller, it sounds as if he got both swords on trade, thinking they were both authentic pieces. On a good note though, I met a gentlemen at the show who today sold me 4 WWII swords. 1 Type 95 Wood handled NCO with matching numbers. 1 Type 98 that appears handmade, but need closer evaluation. Mumei nakago. Tsuka is NOT same' but sharkskin (tiny gray diamonds) 1 Type 44 Naval Landing with laquered ito. Mumei nakago but appears slightly suriage. 1 1937 pattern Navy Kai-gunto. Black laquered saya with stainless blade. Mumei but has anchor stamp. Not sure if real hamon, but one is present. I will be very busy over the next couple days researching what I just got. Thanks to everyone who commented already, for saving me from the Chinese repro. I am pretty well-versed on Nihonto, Gendaito, and Showato, but know close to nothing about NCO's. Many thanks again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiipu Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 Good show Dan! Feel free to start a thread on your wood handled NCO. We will be more than glad to give you our learned opinions about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTM72 Posted January 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, Kiipu said: Good show Dan! Feel free to start a thread on your wood handled NCO. We will be more than glad to give you our learned opinions about it. I'll try to get some pics of everything tonight, and post tonight or tomorrow. Now trying to figure out which one(s) the wife will let me keep. lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 @DTM72 - Dan, nice group, hope you can keep them all. Check out this article on what is mistakenly called a “Navy landing sword.” It’s Army, most of all. The discussion explains the rest. Looking forward to photos! https://www.warrelics.eu/forum/Japanese-militaria/legally-rebutting-existence-type-3-army-officers-sword-708745/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTM72 Posted January 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Bruce Pennington said: @DTM72 - Dan, nice group, hope you can keep them all. Looking forward to photos! I'm looking forward to taking the photos and the research. Wasn't sure what to call that one. One of my friends that I started collecting with 25 years ago had one like this. Folks back then called them "Marine Landing" swords. I know now that there was not a Marine force in Japan during WWII. I don't even want to start the arguement of Type 0, type 3, type 44, type 100. Read through that thread just now.....wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 Ok, now I see what you mean! @Stegel was following these for a while and has several he posted, as well. They are like a battleship grey. You can see several examples on this conversation, varying in shades, but yours it there as well. You can rest assured, yours is WWII legit. No one knows who or why they were overpainted, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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