Doubts About A Gendaito

[Filipe]

I'm talking to someone regarding a showa period blade that I was told could be argued is actually a gendaito, made by Kanenori (Rikugun Jumei Tōshō), it also has an Edo period tsuba, hes asking for 3000 dollars, what do you guys think?

 

Thank you  

[SAS]

May i ask what your concerns are?

[ROKUJURO]

Filipe,

yes, at first look it seems to be a war-time blade with no visible HADA, but with carefully made NAKAGO. I cannot see clearly if it is oil or water quenched. Do you see NIE or NIOI?

 

A recently drilled second MEKUGI ANA may suggest use in a KYU GUN KOSHIRAE or as IAI TO. The TSUBA does not add much to the value in my opinion, nor does the KOSHIRAE, so it remains your decision if you want to spend that sum for it. If it really was a handmade, water-quenched GENDAITO, the price might be o.k. 

[Filipe]

My concerns are if it's worth the price that is being asked, I can see a hada and so the person I consulted before, it has a sambonsugi / gunome hamon that looks really nice, the smith who made it was an oficial army smith, which were given tamahagane to work with instead of mill/rail steel, and so their blades tended to be of better quality, why its in traditional koshirae is a mistery to me, it was either made post war or someone spent quite a bit getting it traditionally mounted, my only concern is the price point, am I getting my money's worth? Could I do better? I probably should have been clearer in the OP. 

[Jean]

Jean has perfectly summurized the situation.

 

The mei is not as crude as the ones found usually on such swords. The hamon has never been sanbonsugi.

 

clearer pictures of hamon and hada are necessary or a guarantee of buyback if the sword is not traditionally made. Is there any stamp on the nakago?

[Jean]

Look at this one, 100% genuine gendaito:

 

http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/18477-polished-gendaito-for-sale/

[reeder]

In addition to the sword Jean just shared, Mark has 3 Gendaito, all star stamped, for sale. Also, Ray has 3 Gendaito for sale. All of the swords listed by Mark and Ray are cheaper than the Kanenori above. Just something to compare and consider.

 

Here are the links to those swords.

http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/18469-three-gendaito-for-sale/?do=findComment&comment=190390

http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/18461-3-star-stamped-gendai-swords-for-sale-2k-each/?do=findComment&comment=190176

[Greg F]

Hello Filipe, i dont mind the edo Koshirae on the sword you are asking about but for the money I think Sals blade that Jean showed is a much nicer blade. Good luck.

 

Greg

[SwordGuyJoe]

Just my opinion, but $3k is a bit high for what you're getting there (an out of polish gendaito by a mid to lower tier smith).

[Kai-Gunto]

Fuchi looks replica. I would stay away ,looks like postwar put together.

[Greg F]

Youve got some much better deals here imho with Sal and Joe's swords and others for sale.

 

Greg

[Salvatori Moretto]

I think he sees a traditional mount sword and has fallen for the look It happens to me alllll the time. I prefer the look of non war time mounted blades and therefore I see more quality and attach more value to the ones in civilian mounts myself. I know this is not the correct way to see things for soooo many reasons as I spend more time collecting. I almost pulled the trigger the other day on a war time oil temper blade in ww2 metal saya only because someone basically just threw on a much older tsuka that I happen to like :D

Sal'