Kai-Gunto Posted January 7, 2014 Report Posted January 7, 2014 Hi mates, Got this tsuba with shoki and the leg from a run away oni. Its signed , but I dont have a clue who made it. I have some tsubas , i will take photos tomorrow. Br Thomas Quote
Kai-Gunto Posted January 8, 2014 Author Report Posted January 8, 2014 Can anyone translate it for me? Quote
John A Stuart Posted January 8, 2014 Report Posted January 8, 2014 貯掃 Cyoshu 侯汁 Kouju is the closest I can get. I think this is not correct, but, may lead to the correct signature. John Quote
Kai-Gunto Posted January 8, 2014 Author Report Posted January 8, 2014 Heres the rest...all opinions and info are welcome. Quote
Brian Posted January 8, 2014 Report Posted January 8, 2014 Thomas, That rabbit one is very nice. Can I have it please? :lol: Yes..it is lovely. I think most of these are above average. You have a nice collection for a Gunto guy Brian Quote
Jorgensen Posted January 8, 2014 Report Posted January 8, 2014 ...That rabbit one is very nice. Indeed! Thomas, can you take a shot a little from the side, so the very high relief becomes more visible... with a camera, not a shotgun even though its rabbits Quote
Kai-Gunto Posted January 8, 2014 Author Report Posted January 8, 2014 Thanks Brian. The Rabbits are very nicely done and they raise very high. Quote
Kai-Gunto Posted January 8, 2014 Author Report Posted January 8, 2014 It looks like mei was removed. Quote
Marius Posted January 8, 2014 Report Posted January 8, 2014 That rabbit one is very nice. (...) Yes..it is lovely. I think most of these are above average. Brian, just so that the discussion does not end up in a "cute" and "nice" sort of fudge. I think all those pieces are pretty bland. Rabbits are nice kinko work done on a terribly boring iron plate. Boring and lifeless, so very... late Edo run of the mill tsuba. Sorry to be a contrarian. Better to study some real masters and not ... this. I am now ready to take the flak Quote
Antti Posted January 8, 2014 Report Posted January 8, 2014 Marius, have those rabbits been added there by a different craftsman who made the plate, do you think? All the carving in the plate seems to be rather bad, but those the bunnies seem to be better (and exceedingly adorable) to my newbie eyes. A bit of a waste really. Quote
Marius Posted January 8, 2014 Report Posted January 8, 2014 Antti, You have hit the nail on the head Quote
Brian Posted January 9, 2014 Report Posted January 9, 2014 Mariusz, Some would say that better some very nice paintwork on a plain canvas, than just a blank well made canvas alone. Or in other words...good iron isn't the be-all and end-all for everyone. Must admit to thinking that some "old iron" is just a case of the Emperor's new clothes. Much ado about nothing...etc etc. Whilst masterpiece iron ground is appreciated for a reason, I think that sometimes the art-school movie crowd comes out when looking at various pieces. "Ooh....I don't get it. Must be me.....therefore the work must be great. I'll just praise it and hope no-one notices I don't get it" Yeah...I know I have gone the complete opposite way in an exaggerated manner to prove a point. But I think for some collectors it isn't always about the groundwork but the composition and maybe just one small well done aspect of the work. Now these aren't masterpieces by any means. But if your first thought when looking at it is "Ooh...cute bunnies. Well done! And what a nice scenery" then maybe the artist was conveying something. Sometimes more that the old tosho who hammers a plain tsuba around a bit, and calls it done. And years later we are making it a National Treasure. There...you did ask for it Brian Quote
Jorgensen Posted January 9, 2014 Report Posted January 9, 2014 Speaking of the bunny Tsuba... (as well as the others)... I have seen it in hand and the details with the moon, skies, flowers AND the patina look far, far better irl, than on the pictures... The pics are not good and really do not justify any of the pieces, so I understand why the plate can look a little "boring" here, but in hand, the simple composition and patina looks really nice. But as always... Nihonto simply isnt the easiest thing to photograph. Quote
Antti Posted January 9, 2014 Report Posted January 9, 2014 Did you take the pictures with flash? Perhaps you could try without it and see what happens. Perhaps we could see the true color and so forth. Quote
ROKUJURO Posted January 9, 2014 Report Posted January 9, 2014 Sorry Brian, I couldn't help it...... Mariusz, if it has no NAKAGO-ANA, you cannot call this a TSUBA! Is it signed, at least? Quote
Brian Posted January 9, 2014 Report Posted January 9, 2014 Mariusz, I'll counter that image with this one. Brian Quote
Grey Doffin Posted January 9, 2014 Report Posted January 9, 2014 The tsuba with the horned demon peering around a pole, the rectangular plaque to the left of the ana wasn't there when the tsuba was made. Sure looks like it was added some time later, for God knows what reason. Grey Quote
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