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Kyle: Do you have any reference date on "Robert Held" and when he used the term? With Graham Gemmell's article from 1973 that makes two references to the term - it is pointing away from spontaneous generation and must have started somewhere. I do also remember the term was used in reference to "advertising" the skill of Kabuto/Armor makers, but even though I know it exists I can't track it down [not since a 'Ransomware' attack on my files several years back] kabutoshi, kabuto shi　兜師 helmet maker https://edoflourishing.blogspot.com/2013/10/

Geraint, that is certainly very possible the nakago-ana would be the correct shape then - and that makes it a lot easier to cut an even outline, and you get two done at once. Jean C. , you are also likely correct, perhaps a meiji or later cast copy? The dot pattern is not true nanako is it - looks machine generated.

Chris: Zombie tsuba do smell a bit funky! Mark: Maybe they had already been buried?

If you are going to 'bury' them send number one to me! I've brought back worse than that.

Do you know any magicians? Number one might make a recovery but number two looks terminal to me.

I found this very blurry image as part of a Christies auction - the caption "tsuba of Bookend form" is a little odd, but so far no one has come up with a better name. https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-1799450

An update on this post [from above] Posted December 8 Robert, It is only quoting the auction notes that often get scrambled by Google translate - and which are never to be trusted. Eiju seiryuken is a much more accurate translation, though the kao is often different. I have a rusty version on its way from Japan with half the mei obliterated. Why would you do that? What are the chances of another guard of similar size and also having part of the signature erased on the same side? https://www.jauce.com/auction/b1027079438 The question still remains why? x2

Jussi : I haven't found very many references at all, which is exactly the problem. Any translation from one language to another is always an interpretation and usually falls into a convention - the more people use a translated term the more it is accepted as factual, but it still originates as a "best guess". It is not helped when a language like Japanese has multiple meanings for the same word or multiple words for the same thing. [ English is a pain in the same regard, as I am sure you know ] Perhaps ヘルメット風 [Helmet style] could be a better name?

Way back in 2020 I posted an item that dealt with 'Kabutoshi ' tsuba. At the time I could not find the reference material for the attribution. Posted April 16, 2020 I noticed these some "time" back ! I like the 'Kabutoshi ' but it looks pretty modern. https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-one-and-only-antique-Tsuba-Clock-in-the-world-with-registered-utility-model/402223763540?hash=item5da6679054:g:hGQAAOSwIL9elToI My mind is playing up is 'Kabutoshi ' the correct term ? The only reply was from Piers. Dale, are you thinking of Katchushi? Piers D 平常心　Heijoshin As it has turned out Piers and I were both correct. In 'Arms and Armor Annual' edited by Robert Held 1973. ISBN 10 0695804073 ISBN 13 9780695804077 There is a section "An introduction to Japanese Sword Guards" by Graham Gemmell [then the assistant Cataloguer of Japanese Art for Sotheby & Co.] Page 82 he lists under 'The main schools of tsuba-making' KABUTOSHI (Fig.5) See Katchushi, of which school Kabutoshi is a part. Example shown imitates the manner in which helmet plates overlapped. I am happy that I was not imagining the term even though it had been rattling about my head for about 37 years [counting from when I actually read the book in 1983] Perhaps Kabutoshi could be a 'New' term listed in tosogu glossaries? For anyone interested the 1973 edition is still available - The article comprises 12 pages. https://www.biblio.com/book/arms-armor-annual-held-robert-ed/d/730355754?aid=frg&gclid=Cj0KCQiAqvaNBhDLARIsAH1Pq538OQzvaa1jibse7bzy4JPFB9QrNIqoc6Aiu5n3cGuZVy3Q9ZtMPFIaAnBbEALw_wcB

I would just like to draw some attention to a huge number of Menuki and Tobacco pouch ornaments selling at the moment - it looks like some ones life time collection is being auctioned off? Some very nice pieces mixed in with F/K . https://www.jauce.com/user/hatune2nd?&n=100&page=1

Both examples are Chinese - and not very good at that - when you see a date or name cut into the blade just above the habaki, give it a miss! I can't read the kanji but I bet it says something like made in 1650 which is total BS.

Jauce [https://www.jauce.com/] has many of the same listings as Yahoo and Buyee - I have found their site easy to navigate but the fee system is a big drain on the pocket, having said that I have purchased a great deal of items at a quarter of the price of ebay and other auction sites - including several good buys at 1 yen would you believe. Jauce allows you to describe your own purchases as far as customs is concerned, I have never had a problem with any antique purchase other than with swords or offensive weapons. Tosogu and Koshirae can be shipped easily.

I would like to give Gary a plug [promote] for his latest book which has just been listed- https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/403359851899 He has some great examples, some of which have been published before and more never before seen. [I am glad he didn't call it a beginners guide - it looks more for the experienced collector and I hope it does well for him]

I would like to give Gary a plug [promote] for his latest book which has just been listed- https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/403359851899 He has some great examples, some of which have been published before and more never before seen. [I am glad he didn't call it a beginners guide - it looks more for the experienced collector and I hope it does well for him]

This is not a stamp but I am sure it will interest some members. A five dollar silver coin from Samoa. https://www.govmint.com/2021-samoa-2oz-silver-samurai-war-mask-bu-coin-w-packaging - https://www.moderncoinmart.com/2021-samoa-samurai-war-mask-2-oz-silver-5-coin-gem-bu-ogp-sku64123.html Also in California - https://thecoinshoppe.ca/product/samurai-mask-ancient-warriors-2021-2-oz-pure-silver-coin-samoa/ or you can buy one from ebay for only twice as much! https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/185150235224 https://agaunews.com/a-samurai-mask-of-the-Japanese-feudal-period-launches-lpms-ancient-warriors-series-of-dimensional-silver-coins/

I came across a 'repurposed' tsuba and at first though it was simply a guard cut down the middle. But further examination made me think was it ever a tsuba to start with? https://www.jauce.com/auction/w1026374352 Surely the outline of the nakago-ana should look like the image below? Otherwise the nakago-ana would have been a very odd shape.

I just stumbled on this Pinterest post of a "Weird tsuba" https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/464855992764970351/ Basically the same type as that in the Vancouver Museum. This one is mounted so we see how it was worn on the sword. Just a theory, but having that flange on the bottom away from the cutting edge allows the sword to lie on a flat surface without rolling and with the edge the correct way up, handy if you don't happen to have a Kake handy?

I can't help pasting this one into the thread - https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/423479171214114128/ WOW!

Clever placement of the Triton shell as the hitsu - I like the seppa shadow traces, shows it has real age to it. A little 'crowded' sukashi wise for me but a great piece.

This one looks familiar [he is still picking at his nose!] https://www.dorotheum.com/en/l/2686747/ The description does not give me a lot of confidence - "Meiji period or later" how much later?

Well we would be "cuckoo" to buy either of them wouldn't we Chris.

I am trying not to pick on any one seller - rather on the examples they are selling. This dealers collection would have to include 80% fakes as is easily assessed from the repeated patterns - https://www.jauce.com/user/siidr41271?&search=tsuba&n=100&page=1 But I would like to warn of this particular design - https://www.jauce.com/auction/t1025613501 - these are available in 'Iroe'" or plain metal and they turn up fairly regularly, as far as a copy goes they are well made but they are a copy. The quality is akin to the example in the first post and may be 'Museum Souvenirs'

Glen: I can't help thinking the design is adapted from European styles - just like this later military folding guard [also Japanese] The folding section in this case because of the way it was worn vertical, and close to the body. There may well have been a parrying aspect to the design as you say much like a Jitte - I have had one comment on the Vancouver example from S. King who pointed out that it would not need a stand for display - being able to stand on its own legs so to speak. [I was thinking the storage box if any, would be much higher than the normal ones] I have since found additional images for the Vancouver guard - http://openmov.museumofvancouver.ca/object/asian-studies/db-164 Frustratingly it does not show a side view but it is mentioned in the description. [I always remember a strange face!]

Well there has not been a lot of information on the strange shape of the guard, but I did remember a similar 'style' which does turn up if only rarely. This one is in the Vancouver Museum unfortunately it doesn't show the side view but the diagram is how it is constructed with a right angle bend over one side. I can't be sure but the bend is towards the blade, I would imagine away from the hand?

Maybe the consultant needs to get new glasses? Like the guy who made it?