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Another thing that we must advice is the importance of the dandysm in Edo jidai. Maybe some christian things or christian symbols was desmistyfied and they become to use as fashionable motif. On the other way, I was at the kakure kirishitan Shimabara jô museum, and they exhibits some christian objects. Except the hiden-slide doors kamidana like ninja stuff, it was very difficult to me distinguish which image is christian and which is an amida representation. So maybe this kind of hidden symbols exist, but I'm quite sure that noone can tell 100% that such thing is christian or not. Christian tsuba was made on the Edo jidai? Sure, as the late Dr. John Lissenden teach us, there was nanban tsuba made in China or in Dejima with chistian cross, for presents to Dejima traders, or for present to dutch traders from the VOC. But I don't think this is what the article want show...

It's also difficult to me accept some of this tsuba as a christian tsuba. Recently, in other post, some members talked about the tokei ji sukashi design as one of the kakure kirishitan motifs. I've never saw like that, in my opinion is more like a fashion of gaijin objects... but indeed it's intersting read all the coments. About the article, maybe the 10 tsuba from Sengoku jidai could be christian, as well during Alessandro Valignano and Luis Sotelo influence, the christianity in Japan, not only grew a lot but was also fashionable. But for other Edo jidai design... well it could be some inaka mono tsuba of some kakure kirishitan, but I also think that it could be diffiult say something like this without proves.

Dear members, Few day ago, the Asahi shinbun published an intersting article about kakure kirishitan tsuba, you can read in the link below: http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201605200004.html Hope you enjoy it.

As I said by facebook, I'm in. And like the Kinai, I want a copy in paper, so I will buy it by Lulu when the time come. Thank you very much Markus for all this interesting proyects. Best regards.

Cool Chango, may be it is!

Hello, maybe this topic is better for tôsôgu, who knows... The point is that I found this big same scales... I think I saw it before but I don't know if its from other animal? other fish? or just a big type of ray fish? Thank you!

This topic tittle reminds me John Snow By the way, the design is called for some specialist a momo sukashi (peach), and for others, a efugo sukashi (wickerwork). This seems a tôshô tsuba style.. but I'm not sure. I found some similar one but better quality of Surface and design on the circle of the master Umetada Tadatsune, about mid Edo Period. Maybe yours is form first years of XVII century? I don't know for sure.

Doesn't seems to me a tôshô tsuba... the maru mimi koniku seems more katschûshi tsuba.. but even this I'm not sure, specially when I look this strange suhama kôgai hitsu ana... maybe XVII-XVIII century?

Seems a late follower of the Akasaka style. Maybe an Akasaka copy made in Yokohama in XIX century.

Count with me. I have the Chôshû translation and is magnific.

I also like so much Namban tsuba. But, I have some opinions about some points: - I really don't think that namban tsuba comes from european sword guards. It is true that there are quite similar in some cases...but as well chinese or indian sword guards. Many people wants to link namban with Europe, but in that case I think that the namban tsuba only has link with the "old" namban people, I mean, extrangers coming from the south before 1549. - Also It is very common that people has confusion about "namban tsuba" and "nippon tsuba with namban decoration". For example, a tsuba fro Hirato/do Kunishige with european letters and motifs it is an original Japanese tsuba. But a tsuba maked in China, India, or a Japanese copy of this tsuba are namban tsuba. The work of Torigoye, Haynes and Yumoto is excellent, but their research about namban tsuba - kanton - kagonami are not such excellent as Lissenden tesis.

Wow Steve, that was so amazing, thank you very much, I'm gonna search now in my books with your ideas. Thanks again!

Hi guys, This is first time I saw this mei, this kind of mei (omote and ura mei and more mei in ura than omote) and first time I saw this kind of square "kôgai ana" and first time I saw this mix "kozuka-kôgai" for the kozuka ana, and first time I saw this round area in ura...and about this round area.. what do you think is this kind of "bubbles" in the iron?

This woman has also in the collection this... seems kubikiri, and this has the edge on the other side...but for me seems a "nata" for gardening.

As you desire And I don't think it's reforged. This is a private colecction from Spain. He buyed this kubikiri in the 70's , know he passed away and I ask his widow to see his collection.

beautiful zôgan raiden

Thank you very much for this post, it helped me so much to find about the mei of this strange and beautiful kubikiri

So, maybe Nagamitsu Suiryûsai from Meiji...or Nagamitsu Sen'itsu from Showa?

Hello, I found the mei Nagamitsu in this wakizashi... I found 2 artist who signed Nagamitsu from Bizen in the XIV-XV centuries, but also 2 signed with the same 2 kanji in the Showa Era... What do you think? For me all seems from the XVIII-XIX, but I'm not really sure about this. Thank you for your opinions. Marcos.

Some months passed, do you allready finished this article? I found very interesting this kind of things about bone-ivory tantô-wakizashi-katana. By the way, this kind of souvenir could be named as shiiremono? or do you think this name is only for metal works?

Eloy, the tsuba seems not fake. Yokoya circle, but the katakiri bori and the kebori is not that good as the Yokoya school uses. By the way, I sent you a PM.

Hello, some years ago I saw this tsuba, or a very close one in a book or in a webpage, but now I can't find it. It's a nademaru gata tetsu tsuba with tatsunami design, and it's mounted in wakizashi (signed Bushû ju Masashige, Nidaime Masashige, Shitahara school, XVII century) with shonai itomaki withot samegawa. Someone saw that also? Thank you very much.

For all people visiting Paris, since the terrorist attacks to the magazine, it´'s forbiden enter in any museum, included Guimet with a bag bigger than a woman's bag. Even if you want to leave in the lockers or cloackroom they didn't take it.

In my opinion is a yari with the nakago cuted off, mounted in a tant{o koshirae.

Thank you very much Andreas! I never thinked that the itomaki was missed, sometimes the easy answer is the only thing that we never mind.