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They look like water lilies on a pond to me but the stem looks too big unless it is not attached to the lilies

I was looking at the 'bright star' shape as I still do not think it is a snow flake I wondered about the clock (gear) shape but I can't find any references yet and I'm unsure when or who used this type of shape Although of general interest so shouldn't be here More stunning underwater images: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/photos/from-a-colourful-cave-to-a-sunken-tank-the-underwater-photo-contest-winners-that-will-take-your-breath-away/ss-BBLK08v?ocid=spartandhp

Thanks Greorge Sounds dead on Grev PS I thought I'd already replied but computer is playing up

]Hi I can't see snow flakes and more like flying saucers than crop circles but both possible if Asimov was a tsubako The image doesn't show the true outlines so with the tsuba in hand I've filled in one of the shapes - a bit like an old barn and shown below The lage hole had small serrations that you can see. Both top and bottom (barn shapes) are identical although the image doesn't show this The relationship between the two top and bottom sukashii to the centre hole is identically mirrored Grev

Hi I bought this from a board member a few days ago and wondered if anyone has any idea what the design represets? I know some of these will remain a mystery but you never know The size is 82 x 81 x 1.5mm, the nakago ana has never been altered and the two smaller holes are recessed both sides I can't see any lamination but I've a load to learn about these types of material variations It has a nice feeling in the hand but no idea why The large hole is serrated and the two other shapes make me think of a plum! PS I'm about half way through the Tosogu Classroom V1 So much information I can only read it in small doses. Hats of to Markus for translation and the excellent question posed to Shigeo san I liked Shigeo san reference to previous studies and his interpretations so it is almost like he is talking to the reader Well recommended

Hi Steve Thanks for the image - someone may know its origin Amazing how long some of these posts stay active

I don't think there would be too many that would get this kanji Amazing input by Morita san again

Tsuba 10 and 173 have been sold

Andy Look up shibuichi and you find some good references - Nice tsuba and one I'd like to own Grev

I'd be more surprised if someone on the board doesn't get it Also the menuki are interesting Edit Yes a nice tsuba and similar to one I have

Be nice to see both sides of the whole tsuba

I bought this from Paul Martin as they are not available very often and has a bit of age to it It looks like cotton with stitched liner It was from a museum in Japan but as you see no internal fittings I was going to make an interior but never got round to it I did think about putting it on the for sale section but had no idea what it was worth The sleeve is a very good fit over the box Grev

What a great idea to but an image and description on the box I'll get my boxes out and copy this idea Obviously I shant do with with the boxes that have an old kanji description

Hi Jeremiah I would say it was definitely the April shinsa

I'm not sure what you mean so these are the details I know Submitted in Japan NBTHK - Hozon Results only in July so submitted around May. Should get papers around October

Synopsis No 1 2 3 4 5 Decription T210 "Six ken" T219 "Waterwheel" T220 "Flower and leaves" T238 "Abstract" T287. “Daikon and steam” Attribution ko Umetada Den Naokatsu Tosho Akasaka Shoami (No one got this) NMB ko Umetada x1 .Naokatsu x 3 Tosho Edo x 1 Akasaka x 4 Ko Tosho x 2 ko Shoami x 2 Naoaki x 1 ko Tosho x 4 kōdai Akasaka Tosho Edo x 2 Saotomi x 1 Hōan x 1 Akao Sado x 1 Den Kanayama x 1 Katchūshi x 1 Myōchin x 1 Owari x 1 Only just realised no one got No 5 which is strange as the mantra is if you are unsure say Shoami Anyone think that the Shinsa team may have made a mistake? That's all from me until I get the papers and I'll add these to the thread Thanks for taking part Grev Edit to add the table in a better format

Does anyone have any more info about Naokatsu? One post on the NMB and one other on the internet I'll go through my books again but I can't remember reading about this smith

I understood your previous post and not foolish. As you say no one can know it all but I think about how many tsuba have they have seen In a perfect world you would be abble to question an attribution with your supplementary evidence that could be analysed by the shinsa team but how long and complicated that could be It was possibly a bit strong to say it was from the Sasano collection but it was owned to Eckhard and it was his opinion on the attribution So easy to say what we believe than the absolute truth as we all like to own tsuba that is special

Comments would be nice but maybe not likely I have other papered tsuba I could post they are much easier

It was always a guaranteed sale

The final tsuba has been revealed. ko Umetada I have been in conversation with Curran and he knew all the results One comment from Curran: I can see the Ko-Umetada call, but that is a very rare call. I didn't know the NBTHK was still making it. They seem adverse to 'Ko' on anything but Ko-Shoami. He may add to this post and he raised a few pointers I was hoping for Kanayama but academically this is better Note that only 'ko' attribution was for the Umetada and not the tosho which was a shame This was the email from Paul Martin who took them to Japan Mumei Mon-sukashi tsuba (tosho) pass Akasaka sukashi tsuba pass Autumn grasses tsuba, Shoami, pass Ken with Mon sukashi tsuba, pass, Ko-Umetada Waterwheel? tsuba Den Naokatsu, pass One of the reasons for speaking to Curran was due to the strange results as as their description varied from mine I wondered if I had mixed them up but it appears I have the hopefully correct. Papers will reveal the true story but that instalment has to wait a few months I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did and my hat is off to you all as it was way above my head From my own records: T210 Six Ken. Kanayama (Three different eminent collectors suggested this school There is enough activity showing on the mimi to suggest Kanayama rather than Owari Circa 1550 T219 Waves and Sun rays: Naokatsu group – Circa unknown T220 Hanabishi: ko Tosho (BH) – Circa 1500 Material Iron with tsuchime (hammer marks) and the hitsuana filled with lead or lacquer Additional Information This tsuba was personally bought by the seller (Chris) from the Eckhard Kremers collection. Mr Kremers was a student of Profesor Sasano and this tsuba was owned at Sasano. Looking at Sasano’s images and notes this should 1454 - 1513 due to the size. It is with strong confidence that I put it next to the Tsuba Yamagata Ni Hishi (page 40-Kremers) and Hi-Tsuki (page 39-Kremers). Earlier tsuba tended to be around 90mm in diameter. Authenticity was given by Mr Kremmer during the Ashmolean tosogu event on 10/09/16 238 Abstract: Akasaka (BH) Circa 1750 T287 Daikon: ko Tosho. Circa 1525 Subject The daikon and steam is illustrated in Southerby’s Catalogue 18th June 1998 No 921 There is the rider they the shinsa may be wrong or new information has come to light. I spoke to a sword collector that submitted his sword for shinsa three times until it had (in his view) the correct smith I'd like an approximation of the date for Waves and sunrise tsuba Now over to you for comments Thanks Grev

Not ko kinko

Not ko Owari or ko sukashi I will reveal in two or three hours time

I hope someone buys this soon to save me jumping in I think the NMB is awsome. It has its critics but I've learnt so much If I keep better records (Mauro is a master of retaining, attributing and collating his records) I'm sure it has condensed 10 years of collecting by half

Blind guess is OK but in this case it is not ko Akasaka