you should see this - (fraudulent auctions)

[eugene walton]

e-bay item #140102734796, do you think this guy ----well take a look

[Brian]

Eugene...you win the wierdest post of the month award :D

 

Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0102734796

 

Now what type of subject is "you should is this" :D

 

Brian

[eugene walton]

next time you want to sell a sword Cut a can full of watter with it to show it`s real, just struck me as :lol: ......... whats the prize

[Grey Doffin]

Interesting ebay fraud here; don't think I've seen this one before. The seller has a picture of the real Hidemitsu tachi, which he claims to be selling, and pictures of the Thai fake, which I'm sure the poor sap buyer will end up with.

I reported the sale to ebay; hope they remove it.

Grey

[eugene walton]

I`m surprised that they take pay pal,

[Brian]

I think there are 3 or 4 different swords in there too. None of them match.

Really odd one this. Good going Grey...eBay should start paying you a salary

 

Regards,

Brian

[Stephen]

a pix of the mei here is what he sent...told him that was a Katsuyoshi he said oh sorry ill take anoter shot later...anyone seen that before looks like it was something i seen on the net...i also reported him about his Gassan sale last week.

http://militaria.co.za/nihontomessagebo ... php?t=1088

[Stephen]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Houki-no-kami-MASAY ... dZViewItem

 

someone really needs to shut this guy down

[Stephen]

Bagging anoter one,

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/Katana-Katsuyoshi-w ... dZViewItem

[Mark C]

Hi All,

 

Located from where the pics have been copied, so Definately a fraud.

 

http://www.ksky.ne.jp/%7Esumie99/sword10.html

 

Many thanks

 

Mark

[Guido]

Eugene...you win the wierdest post of the month award :D

...

Now what type of subject is "you should is this" :D

next time you want to sell a sword Cut a can full of watter with it to show it`s real, just struck me as :lol: ......... whats the prize

Aaahhhh [slapping my forehead], *that* explains everything ..

 

I'm sometimes painfully aware of not being a native English speaker. Or maybe it has nothing to do with language, and I just entered the Twilight Zone!

[sencho]

Yep... now he is using some of Mike Yamaguchi's pictures... I'd recognise that carpet anywhere!!!

 

I see that some of the bidders are visible.... how about contacing them?

 

Cheers

[Stephen]

should of recognized the girls photos. I sent it off to ebay.

Brian i think all of this thread should be under GD as some fine folk have items on auction and need this space to sell there wares.

[Brian]

Will leave it here, as this is for anything auction related, but edited the topic to indicate the fraud.

Reported it too...the more the better. Good catch folks.

 

Brian

[Bungo]

" should of recognized the girls photos"

 

what girls photos ?

 

 

milt the ronin

[Stephen]

Sumie Kashima, operator of Usagiya http://www.ksky.ne.jp/~sumie99/

 

 

not the kind of photos your looking for Milt

[Bungo]

arrrrhhhhhhh, not into rabbit.

 

By the way, in certain Asian countries, being labelled a " rabbit lovers " could mean a lot of things, certainly won't get you into any military services.

 

milt the ronin

[Stephen]

arrrrhhhhhhh, not into rabbit.

 

By the way, in certain Asian countries, being labelled a " rabbit lovers " could mean a lot of things, certainly won't get you into any military services.

 

milt the ronin

[sencho]

 

 

I think with Milt, that is like a red rag to a bull,.... eh Stephen....? :lol:

 

Cheers

[Stephen]

besides the head slapping and off topic jokes if you care about doing something about this do as did (see list). go to one of Bangkok Bangers auctions and report him...it could be a sword off your site or your auctions that he hits next. Step up boys.

 

Brian, Grey, Nigel Stever, Ed,and myself

[sencho]

already emailed some bidders...

[Stephen]

i added your name to the list, i hope i can add more.

[Stever]

Add mine, too. I just reported all the swords this seller is listing. I try to do this whenever I come across a questionable listing, but there are so d*mn many I don't know where to draw the line. At one point I was emailing bidders on chinese crap, which quickly becomes a full-time business for about 15 people! Where do others draw said line? There's everything from copied pictures to full listings to simple declarations of antique when it's anything but.

 

On that note, it'd also be nice if eBay had better fraud reporting options - like being able to give evidence of the fraud (links to the original pics, etc). I can't see how they can do anything with their current system other than set a threshold for how many reports before an item gets yanked. Seems almost useless to me.

[Ed]

Hope e-bay nails this guy.

[Grey Doffin]

Here's how to give ebay evidence, copied site for example. Click on 'report this item', next 'fraudulent listings', and then 'you suspect that a listing is fraudulent you didn't bid'. Continue to email ebay and then you will be able to tell them what you know.

As to how far to go to fight the fake sellers, I never email bidders on fakes. I think it's enough to report the scam artists; those who don't have the sense to research what they're bidding on will just have to learn the hard way.

Grey

[Stever]

That's sort of what I've been doing, except on the page to email eBay, it just has a box to enter the item numbers to be reported, with nowhere to put any other info. I have no confidence that anything else put in that box will be used in any way. Do you have information that suggests otherwise?

 

Thanks,

[Stephen]

When i report it show item number in the top box and a lower one to fill out info in that box i add the sites, auctions ect of said fraud...im thinking no one is reading them.

[Stever]

I can't believe it, not only have none of their auctions been removed, but they've listed 7 new swords, all of which appear in the gallery section of the Usagiya website. Cheeky beggar!

 

http://search.ebay.com/_Asian-Antiques_W0QQcatrefZC12QQsacatZ20082QQsassZkitsunomonoka

[Stever]

I reported the new listings to eBay, and also emailed Usagiya about it. Interestingly enough, I found that the fraud reporting systems on ebay.ca and ebay.com are different. Odd.

 

cheers

[Grey Doffin]

I spoke with an ebay rep; here's the straight poop on why the listings are still up.

Only the person whose online photos have been stolen can complain about them being stolen. It doesn't make any sense to me but ebay won't stop the sale unless the pictures' owners raise a stink.

On the Hidemitsu sale where the scam artist shows pictures of multiple swords, ebay won't remove the listing because "he isn't required to show pictures of the item he is selling." Once again, makes no sense to me.

Buyer beware.

Grey