New polished, you will be surprised. Fake hamon.

[888jojoli]

Hi Gens:

 

That's a Swedish vintage bayonet, but I used Japanese traditional way polished. Check out the pics.

 

it's not tampered steel, so the Hamon not so obvious.

[sanjuro]

If this bayonet is not tempered then by definition it cannot be differentially hardened. Ergo it cannot have a hamon as we know it. Artificial?

[888jojoli]

If this bayonet is not tempered then by definition it cannot be differentially hardened. Ergo it cannot have a hamon as we know it. Artificial?

 

 

Thanks, Keith, we all knew that, but what my point is, I made the " Hamon" .

[Takahashi]

Although it is not a real Hamon, it looks great on your bayonet.

I wish I could do something like that.

 

Cheers,

[888jojoli]

Although it is not a real Hamon, it looks great on your bayonet.

I wish I could do something like that.

 

Cheers,

 

 

it looks nice isn't it? It took me 2 weeks to finish. Unfortunatly， I didn't take any pics before the polishing, it's much worse. I got another Nihonto, maybe I should start on the Nihonto..

[Stephen]

and none of this should be on this board, sorry. maybe SFI, what WE do not want to do is encourage anyone to try putting hamon on any nihonto.

[sanjuro]

I agree with Stephen. This aint the place for amateur sword polishers.

jojoli said

I got another Nihonto, maybe I should start on the Nihonto..

I dont give a damn how lucky you got with a piece of swedish steel. You know little of nihonto by your own admission, and should not be destroying one with your amateur efforts.

[888jojoli]

Hi gens, I just wanna show my effort, it's nothing but I still follow the Japanese way to polish. May be I am not NihonJin, so that's not Nihonto.

 

If you don't like it please delete the topic for me. Thanks!!

[Brian]

Please sign all posts with a real name, thanks.

Y'know..I am going to leave this topic here for one reason. It shows very clearly that a fake hamon can be made on any steel, and what looks like one, can be nothing more than an effect done with polishing.

So all those newbies...seeing this effect on an eBay or elsewhere blade, doesn't mean there is a hamon there! This is a tricky field for novices.

Nie...nioi. Those indicate a hamon.

A change in colour is just that, nothing more. Buyer beware.

 

Brian

[Curgan]

I think what the other senior members said was that experimenting on the bayonet is OK. I myself liked it very much.

But PLEASE never try anything on a nihonto. It takes a decade of devoted work (10 hours a day, 6 days a week) as an apprentice for someone to be a Japanese sword polisher. And the most experienced of them take up nihonto. The antique Japanese swords are objects of art and must be treated as such. You were treated a bit harshly, because a great number of swords were destroyed by amateurs trying to sharpen nuhinto with files, sandpaper or whatever you might think. Unfortunately, an amateur will never be goodenough for a nihonto. However, if you want to practice Japanese traditional polish then you should try it on a modern production blade. There are many in the market and it will come much cheaper also.

[watsonmil]

Dear Joe, & Brian,

Firstly, ... thank you Brian for leaving Joe's post in place. It only serves if nothing else to underline why some of us have a problem with Hadori ( new style Japanese polish ). Very artistic indeed ! Perhaps it could be sent to Shinsa, ... one never knows ?? ..... Ron Watson

[xxlotus8xx]

I agree with Stephen. This aint the place for amateur sword polishers.

I dont give a damn how lucky you got with a piece of swedish steel. You know little of nihonto by your own admission, and should not be destroying one with your amateur efforts.

 

WOW BRUTAL!

 

Dude if you own it do what you want with it. Unless it is Nihonto then check with Nihonto board (otherwise known as Jedi council) for approval.

[loiner1965]

.......tricky call this brian and very brave one indeed....personally i think you did the right decision to show newbies how anything can be faked so easily and that they need to read read read before parting with their hard earned.

i had an apprentice sword made around the 1800s which was razor sharp but the hamon ran off just around the habiki area...the polisher faked the hamon in which was easy to see if you knew what to look for but if left in its natural state it spoilt the overall appeareance of the sword.

[Takahashi]

Well, I am quite surprised that agitated about an amateur polish of a bayonet. Of course it would be terrible to have an amateur polish on a real nihonto blade but hopefully "888jojoli" knows that this would be a no go.

What I like is that he tried to give an non Japanese blade a nice polish. I am currently wondering how beautiful some ancient european swords would look with such a polish since they have been neglected for many years. Although experimenting on those old blades would be a shame as well.

 

Cheers,

[Bazza]

i had an apprentice sword made around the 1800s which was razor sharp but the hamon ran off just around the habiki area...the polisher faked the hamon in which was easy to see if you knew what to look for but if left in its natural state it spoilt the overall appeareance of the sword.

Steve,

The hamon running off before the habaki area is called yakiotoshi and is a rarely seen feature. However, it does occur from the Kamakura period into Shinto times. I have seen it only once. Just put 'yakiotoshi' into google and read about it, but go here:

http://www.sho-shin.com/sai9.htm

to see it on an old sword, a Bungo Hikozan School blade of the early Kamakura period. The relevant text says "YAKIOTOSHI is an expected feature."

Regards,

BaZZa.

[moss]

Swedish bayonet,Japanese polish????, YUCK

 

"I got another nihonto ,might just start on that"

 

 

All I see is you will bugger up 2 blades.

 

Harsh comment,No !

Anyone who encourages this kind of work surely doesn't belong on NHMB.

 

Moss