Cuirassier Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 Can anyone say if this is Yoshida Kaneyoshi please? I can see no evidence he had a kokuin Any input gratefully received 1 Quote
Shugyosha Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 Hi Mark, I'm not saying it isn't, but a long time ago I had a gunto signed (Sho stamp) Yoshida Kaneyoshi - just a four kanji signature: 吉田兼吉 Sorry, I don't have any pictures. If I remember correctly the "da" kanji was quite stylised - more of a circle with an X within it - so quite a different signature to this one, but that mean something or nothing... Quote
Kiipu Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 Help! Trystan, Bruce, Mal, and Jean. @BANGBANGSAN Quote
ROKUJURO Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 I am not of great help in the field of militaria, sorry! Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 Man, they made a mess of that stamp, but it's this one, the top one. Not a kokuin at all, but a registration number and statement about using the kobuse method: I haven't made an effort to track how many smiths used the stamp, but there are more than a couple with it. Can't tell you if the Kaneyoshi is who you are speaking of. Though, after checking the 4 of his I have on file, there seem to be a variety of mei - 3 and 5 kanji. 2 1 Quote
Kiipu Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 2 hours ago, ROKUJURO said: I am not of great help in the field of militaria, sorry! Was on cell phone and wanted to flag the thread for later research. My question is this. Was the indentation done by the swordsith while the steel was hot or was it done after the blade was finished? Quote
ROKUJURO Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 Oh, you mean the big stamp Thomas? In mass production, that is done with a punching machine when the steel is red-hot. 1 Quote
Kiipu Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 正真甲伏鍛兼吉作 = shōshin kōbuse kitae Kaneyoshi saku Jean, you are correct. I was asking about the big stamp. Bruce, take a look at this sword. Similar beginning in the mei but note the additional stamps. Translation Needed 1 Quote
Kiipu Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 9 hours ago, Cuirassier said: Can anyone say if this is Yoshida Kaneyoshi please? Is this sword currently in Japan or did it recently come from Japan? Bruce is correct that this is a patent marking and I think it was removed for some reason. 1 Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 3 hours ago, Kiipu said: Bruce, take a look at this sword. Similar beginning in the mei but note the additional stamps. Translation Needed Yes, that Masafusa has the "Shingane Iri" or Genuine Core Steel stamp on the other side. A bit unusual to see them on opposite side, but I think I've seen it done that way before. I'm starting a file for these to get the variations and smiths using them. I think you are right about someone destroying that stamp. 1 Quote
Kiipu Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 The following swordsmiths used this combination of patent & 眞金入 stamps. 正房 Masafusa [by far the the most common] 兼重 Kaneshige 1 Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 Well that solves one of my questions! Quote
Kiipu Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 I only have one 兼重 Kaneshige recorded. The same sword on three different occasions. NMB James 2008-0411 NMB Chriso 2010-0724 NMB Chriso 2022-1002 1 Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 Mark, Another Kaneyoshi, same mei, posted here (also has the registration stamp, faintly seen at bottom) Kaigunto mounts. 1 Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 @Kiipu Check out this "Kuni(?)yoshi" on this Wehrmacht-awards thread. It's in grass script and no one was totally sure it is "Kuni". But it's got both stamps, so I'd appreciate your opinion on the mei. Update: SteveM also thought it was "Kunimichi": Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 Mark, my apologies for running all over the place on your thread! But thanks for this opportunity! @Kiipu After saying that I also thought this stamp was possibly destroyed, I found one almost as bad. So maybe it's a case of using too much force? 1 Quote
Kiipu Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 1 hour ago, Bruce Pennington said: So maybe it's a case of using too much force? OK, I can go along with that. I will add Kaneyoshi 兼吉 to my list. 1 Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 5 hours ago, Kiipu said: I only have one 兼重 Kaneshige recorded. The same sword on three different occasions. NMB James 2008-0411 NMB Chriso 2010-0724 NMB Chriso 2022-1002 I found this one, Thomas, but it only has the registration/kabuse stamp. I don't see the Shingane iri stamp. So far, I've found 8 Kaneshige with the registration stamp and no Shigane iri stamp. I'm still in the search, but so far I've only found the Shigane iri stamp on Masafusa (4) and that one Kunimichi. Quote
Cuirassier Posted January 25 Author Report Posted January 25 7 hours ago, Bruce Pennington said: Mark, my apologies for running all over the place on your thread! But thanks for this opportunity! Bruce, wow, my absolute pleasure to post something that creates such interest in tangents. 1 Quote
Cuirassier Posted January 25 Author Report Posted January 25 Thank you to all, really; it is much more than I had hoped for. 1 Quote
BANGBANGSAN Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 16 hours ago, Kiipu said: The following swordsmiths used this combination of patent & 眞金入 stamps. 正房 Masafusa [by far the the most common] 兼重 Kaneshige 正真甲伏鍛 中根行宗 作 Nakane Yukimune 1 Quote
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