lonely panet Posted July 25 Report Posted July 25 https://www.aoijapan.com/katanamumei-unsigned-attributed-to-den-ayano-kojinbthk-hozon-token/ Quote
Rawa Posted July 25 Report Posted July 25 An egg with a cracked shell will start to stink. Enough material for 2 tanto. 1 Quote
Alex A Posted July 25 Report Posted July 25 To some people i would bet that's the main attraction to buy. 1 Quote
Alex A Posted July 25 Report Posted July 25 Aye, missed that. To add, very old blade so i guess a lot of folks will forgive. Quote
Lewis B Posted July 25 Report Posted July 25 There are 3 kirikomi pictured. This blade has seen some serious action, both on and off the battlefield. Nice long, survivor tachi with lots to appreciate so I can see how a buyer might be attracted. From a purests perspective though its got problems. Any idea what this could be. A welded repair patch? And whats going on with the nakago? Would this be a very poor effort to remove gimei carving? Only one side so can't be habaki wear. Biggest issue for me is the boshi running off the kissaki. I thought this was a fatal flaw, yet it gets Hozon. Case of age trumping condition? Quote
Jacques Posted July 25 Report Posted July 25 1 hour ago, Lewis B said: Biggest issue for me is the boshi running off the kissaki. I thought this was a fatal flaw, yet it gets Hozon. Case of age trumping condition? This is not a manufacturing defect but just wear and tear due to numerous polishings. It is therefore accepted by NBTHK but only for the hozon, which I repeat is in no way a guarantee of quality. Quote There are 3 kirikomi pictured There's only one, but photographied from different angles Quote And whats going on with the nakago? Would this be a very poor effort to remove gimei carving? Only one side so can't be habaki wear. Obviously suriage. 1 Quote
Lewis B Posted July 25 Report Posted July 25 Yes, looks like the upper image is the ha. Thought it was the mune. The lower one is a different kirikomi. If not for the boshi this would be a very valuable and desirable sword. Quote
Jacques Posted July 25 Report Posted July 25 If only the person who put me a downvote had a beginning of an argument... But not even that. 1 Quote
Lewis B Posted July 25 Report Posted July 25 8 hours ago, Jacques said: Obviously suriage. Please explain how this sort of effect relates to suriage? Quote
Jacques Posted July 25 Report Posted July 25 If you don't know how to make a suriage, I can't help you. Oh !! Maybe there is. https://www.nihontomessageboard.com/articles/Suriage.pdf Quote
Alex A Posted July 25 Report Posted July 25 I think Lewis has a point. To me it looks like someone has filed a mei off in that particular part of the nakago. You can see file marks in that part of the nakago and appears like maybe part of a remnant mei is left. The horizontal file marks are only in that area. Though suriage. Quote
Lewis B Posted July 25 Report Posted July 25 I know how a nakago is Suriage just not how that relates to the file marks and only on one side. Quote
Toryu2020 Posted July 25 Report Posted July 25 Does this bother you? BIZEN MORISUKE 備前守助 - NIHONTO 3 Quote
Rivkin Posted July 25 Report Posted July 25 An interesting blade which is easy to appreciate. One suspicion which is hard to confirm without seeing it in 3D there could have been a signature on the nakago... orikaeshi mei or something else. This was cleaned out. Might have been "Kuniyuki", since it does remind a bit. 1 Quote
lonely panet Posted July 25 Author Report Posted July 25 4 hours ago, Jacques said: If only the person who put me a downvote had a beginning of an argument... But not even that. jacqs, iv noticed some member always gives you this regarless of what you write, probably some sour puss that has got a bee in there bonnet Quote
Jacques Posted July 25 Report Posted July 25 20 minutes ago, lonely panet said: jacqs, iv noticed some member always gives you this regarless of what you write, probably some sour puss that has got a bee in there bonnet I think i know whom and that makes me laughing. 1 Quote
Jacques Posted July 25 Report Posted July 25 3 hours ago, Lewis B said: I know how a nakago is Suriage just not how that relates to the file marks and only on one side. When you shorten a nakago, you only file one side, whether it's signed or not. 1 Quote
nulldevice Posted July 25 Report Posted July 25 1 hour ago, Toryu2020 said: Does this bother you? BIZEN MORISUKE 備前守助 - NIHONTO That was truly a wonderful blade to see last year! Quote
Rivkin Posted July 25 Report Posted July 25 If only we had Verdi to honor the tragedy of "who has dislikened me". 1 Quote
Brano Posted July 26 Report Posted July 26 On 7/25/2025 at 11:37 PM, Jacques said: When you shorten a nakago, you only file one side, whether it's signed or not. Are you talking about file marks on nakago after o-suriage? If so - then that's not true (maybe sometimes, but it's definitely not the rule) Taken from setsumei: File marks on the obverse are sujikai (sharply angled), while the file marks on the reverse side are kiri (horizontal). And here you will find a photo https://eu.zonerama.com/Nihonto/Photo/10837781/439094963 1 Quote
Rawa Posted July 26 Report Posted July 26 Old aoi Japan item sold for 6k$ today. Japanese Katana in Shirasaya, with Kae saya (NBTHK Tokubetsu Hozon paper). Mumei (unsigned) attributed as Shikkake. (We divide 4 sections for each sword as Saijyo saku, Jyojyo saku Jyo saku and https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/210717856_japanese-katana-in-shirasaya-kae-saya-nbthk-montreal-quebec?utm_source=LA_Mobile_Share&utm_medium=mobile&utm_campaign=LAiOSshare Quote
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